Brexit Deal

rivarama

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But seriously, I feel that nowadays health, social care, benefits, etc should be outside politics, they can deal with defence, economics, fiscal policy etc but I don't think its fair to balance the last three against the first three. I think if people didn't have massive issues and beefs with how they have to live in this current environment Brexit wouldn't matter at all, or at least be a side show of little interest.

Who remembers the previous referendum on EU membership? I do, 1975 was it, no one really gave a *****, cos although the was a massive gap in social standing, people didn't really know, it was a different world nothing to do with us. Now with social media and general awareness of ordinary people people can see how they are being trampled on.

Ironically it seems to me the capitalist consumer machine is destroying itself, now we can all see how the other half lives with smartphones for everyones, information for all, all good things, but it makes proles self-aware, not what the machine wants.

Above makes me sound like a Commie, I'm not, I studied the USSR after uni and whilst the USSR was never communist, it was socialist on the way to true communism, it was all a load of ******** either way.

So I don't have an answer, but I lived in Denmark, a socialist state, and I never saw one homeless person apart from one person at the North Tivoli entrance, rumour in CPH was he liked it, I never saw any friction, or anyone knick my MacBook which I left on the tables outslde the bar an the assurance that 'this is Denmark, no one will steal it' No one did...
I think it’s all lovely, but not sure how we pay for all you highlighted above; even if in spirit poverty, education etc... should be priorities just as public safety, health etc...
I like the comparison to DK, but look at their tax rate... 12% higher on average than the UK. I am not sure the country is ready or willing to cough up that tax increase to have a go at a scandi paradisiaque way of living (not sure they’re happier btw look at suicide rates there).
 

TimR

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I think it’s all lovely, but not sure how we pay.... I am not sure the country is willing to cough up tax increase...

The truth then is that you cant....
Developed world...? Apparently not very. Not really. Unable to afford to help the weak to help themselves...
Some of the, arguably, most pressing issues facing humanity are extremely unlikely to be overcome without combing resources, whatever they are. And that isnt served by isolationist deconstruction, of which Brexit is a prime example...!
Oh bu99er...i said brexit. :argue1:
 

Wattie

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Sorry should have said, over a year.
incorrect on Gold and now the fall has been reversed to +0.7%..8DF934A5-6B90-4E18-BB4C-1EFA64A8A5FB.png
Silver more volatile and down over last couple of years....but it did shoot up 40% on Brexit news.....fall is a good time to buy perhaps?2F1D4CC5-38D7-466D-9ADC-2B57BC2F6877.png
 
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rivarama

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Really?
Since first jan 19
-0.3% and -0.1% in GBP
Is that classed as “well down”.

Discussing Gold in GBP is technically meaningless, as it is officially quoted in USD. Hence your comment includes Fx fluctuation.

It’s a bit like saying that the Apple stock translated in £ hasn’t really moved... you’d need to look at the $ price and the FX translation as well before you can make that statement

Or may be I am just a finance nerd :)
 

Phil the Brit

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The truth then is that you cant....
Developed world...? Apparently not very. Not really. Unable to afford to help the weak to help themselves...
Some of the, arguably, most pressing issues facing humanity are extremely unlikely to be overcome without combing resources, whatever they are. And that isnt served by isolationist deconstruction, of which Brexit is a prime example...!
Oh bu99er...i said brexit. :argue1:


I assume you mean "combining" resourses
 

Wattie

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Discussing Gold in GBP is technically meaningless, as it is officially quoted in USD. Hence your comment includes Fx fluctuation.

It’s a bit like saying that the Apple stock translated in £ hasn’t really moved... you’d need to look at the $ price and the FX translation as well before you can make that statement

Or may be I am just a finance nerd :)

Its not technically meaningless at all. That's the whole point.
Gold acts as a currency hedge- hence it is often purchased as a safe haven when currencies are expected to fall.......now at all time highs in 72 countries around the world.
In your example If you're a Uk investor and apple shares in dollars have gone up 10% but the exchange rate to sterling has moved 15% against you then you're down.
Whats the point of being up in $ but down in £ upon conversion if that is your base currency?
The GBP figures speak for themselves and those are the GBP returns......which is the only thing that matters.
 

midlifecrisis

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Right, I'll wade in with my thoughts on the big issue,

Two slices or bacon, one sausage (Lincolnshire), two fried eggs soft yolk, beans, black pudding, mushrooms, two slices of toast (not cut diagonally), brown sauce on the side. Washed down with a large (pint) of tea, milk no sugar.

Please leave the hash brown and tomatoes in kitchen.

I'll expect death threats and dim views at the next SM meeting...
 

MaserCoupe

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So tempted to drop in for a full Irish on the way to the office this morning, stressed by two opposing threads
What's on your mind bud? You know you won't find the answer at the bottom of a Guinness Pint.......Or maybe after half a dozen...So what threads are troubling you?