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Suzannah Hoffs was my favourite bedtime w@nk at that time, could be now too - she looks even better at nearly 60.....
she is fit, the years have been good to her
Suzannah Hoffs was my favourite bedtime w@nk at that time, could be now too - she looks even better at nearly 60.....
The binding element to the referendum came from Cameron & the remain camp as part of project fear. This was subsequently adopted and accepted by both sides of the debate. Until the result.I am intrigued by the barriers to a second vote. When the original referendum was proposed even Rees-Mogg suggested it would be on the basis on an initial ref on leaving and then a final vote on the outcome of negotiations. He, and many others including Farage and Redwood, have changed this view lately. Redwood has - rather laughably in my view - said that he hasn’t changed his view and that the general election where the Tories said they would hold the ref was the first vote and the actual ref was the second vote. He is spinning so fast i’m surprised his head doesn’t fall off.
So I had a read up on this. The main argument against seems to be that by going for a second vote we risk usurping parliamentary democracy with direct democracy. This seems fair if referenda were to become commonplace. Another is that if we have a second, what is there to stop a third for those that don’t like that result. That one is easy, just make the second ref legally binding.
Certainly a number of people here who would rather not leave have said they would be bound by a second referendum regardless of outcome. That includes me.
surely you mean 3 wise peopleMore astonishing House Of Commons news!
Parliament has just cancelled its 2018 nativity play performance this year as it was unable to find three wise men.
cheers Wattie
Agree Andy.
If you said to your wife I want a divorce but then after seeing what you were to loose said... erm no, not really... the relationship would be rather challenging.
I agree with what you say but unfortunately Europe does not negotiate. It dictates and threatens as it cannot allow anyone to leave - as others would follow. Remainers know that.But, a bit like a divorce, it is almost impossible to get an agreement that both parties are happy with - the parties need to try to find a compromise that both can live with. And, as in most divorces, particularly involving children, there will always be some uncertainties, eg shared care, that will need to evolve as time goes by. The parties need to accept that at the outset and show at least some degree of trust that they will be play fair when riding out the inevitable bumps in the road. And then there is the ultimate role of the courts in arbitrating where the parties can’t agree.
These rules are mostly true of every negotiation I have ever been involved with. So why do so many people think that any Brexit agreement would be any different, apart from in a no deal scenario.
Maybe, but it's like getting divorced from each of your 27 wives. How do you think that'd work out for you?But, a bit like a divorce, it is almost impossible to get an agreement that both parties are happy with - the parties need to try to find a compromise that both can live with. And, as in most divorces, particularly involving children, there will always be some uncertainties, eg shared care, that will need to evolve as time goes by. The parties need to accept that at the outset and show at least some degree of trust that they will be play fair when riding out the inevitable bumps in the road. And then there is the ultimate role of the courts in arbitrating where the parties can’t agree.
These rules are mostly true of every negotiation I have ever been involved with. So why do so many people think that any Brexit agreement would be any different, apart from in a no deal scenario.
But, a bit like a divorce, it is almost impossible to get an agreement that both parties are happy with - the parties need to try to find a compromise that both can live with. And, as in most divorces, particularly involving children, there will always be some uncertainties, eg shared care, that will need to evolve as time goes by. The parties need to accept that at the outset and show at least some degree of trust that they will be play fair when riding out the inevitable bumps in the road. And then there is the ultimate role of the courts in arbitrating where the parties can’t agree.
These rules are mostly true of every negotiation I have ever been involved with. So why do so many people think that any Brexit agreement would be any different, apart from in a no deal scenario.
You’re incorrect.I think the EU has the moral high ground actually, it's a contract, we want out early, we pay up the contract, leave.
No deal is just what happens when you leave the gym for example, pay what you owe and go away. You can't say I'm not paying what I'm contractually bound to pay and/or ask if it's ok to use the pool and sauna....
No deal is the default, anything is just grace and favour.