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philw696

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You'd have been a 'posted worker' - I work for myself, cant do that!

I really know these rules from my unmarried partner and EU rights and stuff from back in the day. Too late for that now.
Self employed both in the UK and since I landed in France but the work was organised through a UK company.
In the UK i was paid in pounds and euros here.
 

Lozzer

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I do sympathise, but the UK didn't do this, the EU did, the EU and their inability to compromise, their discusting behaviour over the last couple of months only confirms that for me. And don't get me started on Mr Macron.
 
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CatmanV2

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I do sympathise, but the UK didn't do this, the EU did, the EU and their inability to comprimise, their discusting behaviour over the last couple of months only confirms that for me. And don't get me started on Mr Macron.

I have to say that the EU's behaviour recently is nothing short of bizarre. I really struggle to find a conscionable justification.

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Wanderer

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My brother-in-law lives in Spain, sorted his residency yonks ago, but when I went to visit 2006 ish we seriously had a conversation like this - was my first time in Spain, been everywhere else but never Spain!

Me: It's not bad here is it, quite like it.

Him: Yeah, but be miles better if it wasn't for all the fücking Spanish.....

And he was serious - not joking.
 

lozcb

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My brother was mooning over his pics of his holiday in Barcelona from a few years back and how he's gonna move there. I said, errr, you can't now. Dunno which way he voted in the referendum but he's the archetypal Conservative, working-class, got a mortgage, owns a property, Tory.....

Number of people I've pulled up on this very point. I'm going to relocate to France, I'll retire in Italy, etc. They say well we could do it before EU and FoM, well yeah, but you needed either earn shiittloads or have a highly desirable skill.

Things are starting to hit home now so this thread may very well take off again big style when more people realise how very shot-in-the-foot they are.

You obviously havent been working away very long, no violin here but what the feck do you think people were doing long before the EU as we know it ever came about , yes we worked and lived away too ...........and whtas more it wasnt difficult , and we didnt need sheds loads of money to live there , pre EU I worked in Holland Germany Belgium Iran which meant when I drove out to Iran which I did on numerous occasions ( yes i had to drive through all those European countries to get there , and it wasnt an issue ............if you needed a visa ........you got it and paid for it , really wasnt a big deal ..............Im sure all the Brits visa's travelling within the EU dont come to 13 billion a year ..............or all the premiums paid for travel/medical insurance , try as i may over the years ive attempted to do the two column plus and minus thing and not once in 40 years have i ever had the EU in front or on top . Its mind boggling these attitudes , especially from an expired millenial
 

Saigon

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So many people think that the 90 day rule within a rolling 180 days is something new that has just come into effect since Brexit. Oh, look what Brexit has done ! No It has always been the law, but never been seriously policed or enforced. As Spain has specifically been quoted above, it has always been the rule, but people should have applied for temp residency if they wished to stay for more than 90 days. That was not difficult or expensive to do, temp residency lasted from 90 days up to 5 years, during which you could apply for perm residency if you wished. And also not difficult to get, but since Brexit it is much more expensive to get temp residency. Those already living Illegally (over 90 days) in Spain prior to Brexit and having not bothered to apply for temp residency were all given prior warning to get it done before Brexit, years before, and at minimal cost. Many didn’t bother and now can not afford to do so due to the changes. (UK now classed as third world). So it isn’t Brexit's fault that people are having to leave Europe not just Spain, and return to the UK, it’s because they couldn’t be bothered to do the right thing when they had the opportunity. Agreed, Brexit didn’t help as borders are now being policed but they could have applied for temp residency. Anyway, 90 days is enough for me, when I’m allowed to leave here.
 

Wanderer

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You obviously havent been working away very long, no violin here but what the feck do you think people were doing long before the EU as we know it ever came about , yes we worked and lived away too ...........and whtas more it wasnt difficult , and we didnt need sheds loads of money to live there , pre EU I worked in Holland Germany Belgium Iran which meant when I drove out to Iran which I did on numerous occasions ( yes i had to drive through all those European countries to get there , and it wasnt an issue ............if you needed a visa ........you got it and paid for it , really wasnt a big deal ..............Im sure all the Brits visa's travelling within the EU dont come to 13 billion a year ..............or all the premiums paid for travel/medical insurance , try as i may over the years ive attempted to do the two column plus and minus thing and not once in 40 years have i ever had the EU in front or on top . Its mind boggling these attitudes , especially from an expired millenial
2011 - EU only, on and off....

You see my situation is different because I am a limited company and I take 3/6/12 month projects whereever I can. Prior to Brexit that meant just getting on a plane. Now I need a work permit but cannot get as I am a UK Ltd.

Say I get offered a role for three months in Germany, I need a work permit how do I get one? The German client can't get me one since I'm not an employee of theirs, my Ltd can't get one because I have neither a German presence or the ability to even apply for a work permit. Of course under German (and EU) law priority is given to locals then EU citizens, and in addition if I could apply for a work permit it can take unto three months, not much use for a three month project. Work visas now in all EU states follow more or less the same pattern.
 

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MarkMas

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Just feel it's sad that troubles are starting up again in Ireland after being peaceful for many years.

Yes it will certainly be sad if the troubles start up again simply because the EU wanted to use the Ireland-NI-England border issue as as leverage in a trade negotiation. Another reason to want to be outside of such an evil organisation.
 

philw696

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Yes it will certainly be sad if the troubles start up again simply because the EU wanted to use the Ireland-NI-England border issue as as leverage in a trade negotiation. Another reason to want to be outside of such an evil organisation.
Unbelievable how the EU get the blame.
BoJos fault as he got the Deal that no one else could if I remember.
 

Swedish Paul

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Unbelievable how the EU get the blame.
BoJos fault as he got the Deal that no one else could if I remember.
So you are saying that the EU don’t have an agenda to bring NI under the republic? Now I’m not a conspiracy theorist and nobody wants a return to the troubles but trying to have a border between the mainland UK and NI isn’t workable in the long run (which I believe is what the EU wanted). After all, quite a percentage of the population of NI want to remain part of the UK. Or am I wrong?
 

MarkMas

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Unbelievable how the EU get the blame.
BoJos fault as he got the Deal that no one else could if I remember.

Not unbelievable - absolutely correct.

You can blame the UK (voters, Tories, May, Boris...) for upsetting the status quo by leaving the EU, as having Ireland and the UK both in the EU was certainly a great help to blurring the border issue to help to avoid political conflict.

But even while the UK was within the EU there was a fairly 'hard' border between NI and Ireland for many issues (VAT, fuel duty, personal tax, currency, citizenship, voting, abortion laws, healthcare, number plates.....). And there was a fairly 'hard' border between NI and the rest of the UK (the sea, governance, political parties, armed police, weapons searches, same-sex marriage, security surveillance...)

But once the UK decided to leave the EU, the EU made the border issue a central 'problem' in order to try to damage the UK, and the Irish government was pressured to go along with it, and foolishly agreed. People started saying 'With Brexit you MUST have THE border between the UK and Ireland, or between the mainland of the UK and NI, but not both, when both is exactly what we already had.

It would have been easy for everyone to have downplayed the politics of this issue, while finding practical solutions. So, yes the EU gets the blame. They were willing to inflame tensions and risk creating a civil war in order to protect their imperial narrative.

What practical solutions? See here: https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/brexit-deal.27598/page-117#post-680623
 

GeoffCapes

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Funny how the border in Ireland is an EU issue now.
Is fishing an EU issue as well
How about the massive form filling for exports? Is that the EU’s fault?
I guess devaluation of the pound was as well.
the huge queues of lorries at Ashford waiting for clearance and the queues on the M20 are the EU’s fault.
The expected 9% fall in GDP is probably their fault as well.

About time we looked closer to home isn’t it?
 

Swedish Paul

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Of course, the EU don’t want to get involved in Catalonia even though the Spanish government are persecuting anyone who stands up against the government and sentence dissidents to years in prison.

And then the EU try to impose minimum wage rules even though it has nothing to do with a central state.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not nationalist (apart from sport) and I have taken full advantage of the EU. But I can see how divisions are driven. Gawd knows where it will all end up.
 

lozcb

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2011 - EU only, on and off....

You see my situation is different because I am a limited company and I take 3/6/12 month projects whereever I can. Prior to Brexit that meant just getting on a plane. Now I need a work permit but cannot get as I am a UK Ltd.

Say I get offered a role for three months in Germany, I need a work permit how do I get one? The German client can't get me one since I'm not an employee of theirs, my Ltd can't get one because I have neither a German presence or the ability to even apply for a work permit. Of course under German (and EU) law priority is given to locals then EU citizens, and in addition if I could apply for a work permit it can take unto three months, not much use for a three month project. Work visas now in all EU states follow more or less the same pattern.

Listen somewhere in there ,for what ever country there is a set of rules , abide by them instead of whinging ( start thinking glass is half full ) ( instead of its half empty :argue1: ), I did it along with 1000's of others back in the 60's and 70's , most european countries and most in Africa as it happens , have a 24/48 hr one stop shop to register a company and the tax system and bank account ...............its what ive done countless times in African countries ..................stop whinging and abide by the systems in play ..........as the Meerkat would say simples
 

Wanderer

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Listen somewhere in there ,for what ever country there is a set of rules , abide by them instead of whinging ( start thinking glass is half full ) ( instead of its half empty :argue1: ), I did it along with 1000's of others back in the 60's and 70's , most european countries and most in Africa as it happens , have a 24/48 hr one stop shop to register a company and the tax system and bank account ...............its what ive done countless times in African countries ..................stop whinging and abide by the systems in play ..........as the Meerkat would say simples
Suggest you reread my post. You’re not getting the point.