Brexit Deal

philw696

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This is from nearly a year ago and as it looks like we're heading for no deal this Tweet makes you think how much work there is ahead.
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MarkMas

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philw696 said:
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If you run a business in France, or the UK, the number of countries you can do friction-less trade with is about 30 (apparently); but you have still been managing all these years to trade with many of the other 160 countries in the world, so not much difference really.

If you are France, the number of countries you can do trade deals with, without getting unanimous agreement from about 27 other countries, is zero.
If you are the UK, this is about to go up from zero to roughly 160.

If you are France, the value of your trade with the UK is about $40Billion per year both ways. If you think the EU or the UK is going to screw that up through a 'bad Brexit' you must be ******** yourself. But don't worry, dull, practical, sensible people are working hard to make trade continue smoothly post-Brexit while politicians, bureaucrats, journalists, remainers and meme-posters are busy scaremongering.
 
philw696

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Thanks for that good info.
I'm just trying to keep the thread alive.
All the way along just been wanting good honest information.
 
doodlebug

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MarkMas said:
If you run a business in France, or the UK, the number of countries you can do friction-less trade with is about 30 (apparently); but you have still been managing all these years to trade with many of the other 160 countries in the world, so not much difference really.

If you are France, the number of countries you can do trade deals with, without getting unanimous agreement from about 27 other countries, is zero.
If you are the UK, this is about to go up from zero to roughly 160.
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I think you are confusing 'doing trade' and 'having a trade deal'. Any country within the EU is free to trade with any country outside of the EU. Even after the UK leaves the EU, France will still be able to trade with any country outside the EU as will the UK. Unless Johnson pulls a rabbit out of his hat, or more likely a hare out of his backside, the UK is unlikely to get a 'trade deal' with the EU in place by December 31st 2020.
 
CatmanV2

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doodlebug said:
I think you are confusing 'doing trade' and 'having a trade deal'. Any country within the EU is free to trade with any country outside of the EU. Even after the UK leaves the EU, France will still be able to trade with any country outside the EU as will the UK. Unless Johnson pulls a rabbit out of his hat, or more likely a hare out of his backside, the UK is unlikely to get a 'trade deal' with the EU in place by December 31st 2020.
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I think the way he phrased it makes it quite clear he understands the difference. YMMV (clearly) ;)

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doodlebug

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CatmanV2 said:
I think the way he phrased it makes it quite clear he understands the difference. YMMV (clearly) ;)

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Oops, you are right. Note to self, must learn to read better.

The point remains though that France currently has frictionless trade deals with 30 countries. At the end of 2020, the UK in all probability won't have the level of frictionless trade at the level we currently enjoy.
 
CatmanV2

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Pretty sure this is apples and oranges. JC suggested that everyone going on a 4 day week was feasible. This is a small group of metropolitan elite that don't actually have a holiday allowance (that I am aware of) taking a couple of week to focus on Brexit and maybe some other time where parliament is not sitting. Which I doubt is a holiday for many of them.

Oh and it's reamed, surely ;)

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BennyD

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doodlebug said:
I think you are confusing 'doing trade' and 'having a trade deal'. Any country within the EU is free to trade with any country outside of the EU. Even after the UK leaves the EU, France will still be able to trade with any country outside the EU as will the UK. Unless Johnson pulls a rabbit out of his hat, or more likely a hare out of his backside, the UK is unlikely to get a 'trade deal' with the EU in place by December 31st 2020.
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If the will is there, a deal will be reached before the end of the year. No Deal is now focusing the minds of those chancers in Brussels who assumed they had the whip hand when the remainers thought they had voted out No Deal. It’ll become more and more apparent that the EU is dreading us going and completely f*cking up their fragile economy.
 
Wattie

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BennyD said:
If the will is there, a deal will be reached before the end of the year. No Deal is now focusing the minds of those chancers in Brussels who assumed they had the whip hand when the remainers thought they had voted out No Deal. It’ll become more and more apparent that the EU is dreading us going and completely f*cking up their fragile economy.
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Yup, but they’ll print trillions to pretend it isn’t.
 
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