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2b1ask1

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WE ARE OUT OF EUROPE!!!!!!!!



At least Benny and I are; we are on a ferry home....


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JonW

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WE ARE OUT OF EUROPE!!!!!!!!



At least Benny and I are; we are on a ferry home....


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* Pedant warning *

Last time I checked:

A) French international waters extend a bit further out to sea, so this photo was almost certainly taken in France ;
B) the UK is in Europe, and will remain in Europe even if we cease to be a member of the European Union.

Hope you had a fun trip? And I presume the back of the van is suitable loaded up with French wine and cheese!?
 

Wattie

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July 2014 - Jean-Claud Juncker-“when it becomes serious you have to lie”

October 2019 Jean-Claud Juncker “Nobody would come out a winner in this scenario. A no-deal Brexit would lead to a collapse of the United Kingdom and a clear weakening of the roots of growth on the Continent”

:lol2:“Growth on the Continent?” What growth is that then.....the sort of growth that needs constant ECB intervention and that relies on money from thin air?

“In contrast, the suspicion that behind this measure lies an intent to protect heavily indebted governments from a rise in interest rates is becoming increasingly well founded. From an economic point of view, the ECB has already entered the territory of monetary financing of government spending, which is strictly prohibited by the Treaty”
- you don’t say.

Ponzi.

Sock it to them Boris, they’ll blink.
 
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Glad I'm in France and can easily drive around Europe.
This afternoon I had the great pleasure of seeing how wonderful it is for Great Britain to “take back control“ in celebration of Brexit.

I thought I would share my joy with you.

Having queued in the post office for an hour to be told that I had to join another queue as only one lady was trained to help me, I joined her queue to wait for 20 minutes.

The charming lady told me to join a further 10 minute queue for a photo machine as unlike passports it could not be a digital photo. Armed with my paper photos I rejoined a queue for another 30 minutes.

The lady asked me which European countries I would be driving in over the next year. As I will be driving in several countries I was thrilled to find that I had taken so much control back that I would need four international driving permits, each inscribed with details of the Convention on Road Traffic of 19th of September 1949; into which decade I definitely felt I had now lapsed.

A rather scruffy piece of card was then inscribed manually with my details. My photograph was glued into it. This process was repeated four times.

Having parted with £28 for the privilege of driving in Europe, I was thrilled to find that I could take back control and repeat the whole process and make the same payment next year; subject to increase by Her Majesty’s government.

As I left the post office I was overjoyed to see that the pound had fallen dramatically further today thus ensuring that I could feel even more impoverished than previous falls in Sterling have already made me.

Nevertheless, having reverted to a period of my early childhood when travel was so much more difficult, I will benefit from feeling awfully nostalgic while I drive in poverty through Europe, with my four antediluvian card passes.

I’m really looking forward to taking back more control on 31 October.
 

Wanderer

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Wonder where I stand, I have an Irish driving licence, but I'm not an Irish citizen although I do live in work in Ireland (for now). I don't have to change it if I go back to UK, seems odd, and don't need to change the address on it, it's not a requirement to do that in Ireland. Mine's got my old Irish address on it.
 

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Wonder where I stand, I have an Irish driving licence, but I'm not an Irish citizen although I do live in work in Ireland (for now). I don't have to change it if I go back to UK, seems odd, and don't need to change the address on it, it's not a requirement to do that in Ireland. Mine's got my old Irish address on it.
You'll be all sorts of trouble after Brexit if you drive into NI. You probably won't be allowed out, and then won't be allowed back in.

You'll be stuck in the Irish equivalent of the the de-militarised zone between North and South Korea for eternity! :lol2:
 

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Wonder where I stand, I have an Irish driving licence, but I'm not an Irish citizen although I do live in work in Ireland (for now). I don't have to change it if I go back to UK, seems odd, and don't need to change the address on it, it's not a requirement to do that in Ireland. Mine's got my old Irish address on it.
But bizarrely I have to apply for an Irish license to drive over here post a UK exit from the EU which will then enable me to drive in Europe and the UK even after a UK exit.
 

Wanderer

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But bizarrely I have to apply for an Irish license to drive over here post a UK exit from the EU which will then enable me to drive in Europe and the UK even after a UK exit.
That's what I was saying, sort of!

Get it done quick, NDLS are inundated.

Or don't bother, Brexit is more and more unlikely the longer Boris is in charge...
 

Wattie

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David Sassoli President of the Eu Parliament- "No extension without new referendum or an election'- EU insists".

Which;
1.Potentially gives Johnson wriggle room as at the moment he's got neither.
His letter, which could be written tomorrow, could ask for an extension but say that he's been refused an election on multiple occasions....extension requested as per law, refused as per above....or the Eu blinks.
or
2. Sets the scene beautifully for remainer majority parliament MP's to revoke A50......rather than crash out.
 

Wattie

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Glad I'm in France and can easily drive around Europe.
This afternoon I had the great pleasure of seeing how wonderful it is for Great Britain to “take back control“ in celebration of Brexit.

I thought I would share my joy with you.

Having queued in the post office for an hour to be told that I had to join another queue as only one lady was trained to help me, I joined her queue to wait for 20 minutes.

The charming lady told me to join a further 10 minute queue for a photo machine as unlike passports it could not be a digital photo. Armed with my paper photos I rejoined a queue for another 30 minutes.

The lady asked me which European countries I would be driving in over the next year. As I will be driving in several countries I was thrilled to find that I had taken so much control back that I would need four international driving permits, each inscribed with details of the Convention on Road Traffic of 19th of September 1949; into which decade I definitely felt I had now lapsed.

A rather scruffy piece of card was then inscribed manually with my details. My photograph was glued into it. This process was repeated four times.

Having parted with £28 for the privilege of driving in Europe, I was thrilled to find that I could take back control and repeat the whole process and make the same payment next year; subject to increase by Her Majesty’s government.

As I left the post office I was overjoyed to see that the pound had fallen dramatically further today thus ensuring that I could feel even more impoverished than previous falls in Sterling have already made me.

Nevertheless, having reverted to a period of my early childhood when travel was so much more difficult, I will benefit from feeling awfully nostalgic while I drive in poverty through Europe, with my four antediluvian card passes.

I’m really looking forward to taking back more control on 31 October.
Ummm, we're taking back control of our borders........sorry if that gets in the way of some holiday plans.

Germany will probably wish it has too soon after Turkeys invasion and some 70000 Isis fighters and family are potentially set to flood Europe.

 

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Ummm, we're taking back control of our borders........sorry if that gets in the way of some holiday plans.
You are aware I assume, that as non-members of schengen, that we were never out of control of our borders.

But it seems that you are conflating freedom of movement with control of borders. Sadly freedom of movement will not end on Brexit day (whenever that will be) because successive U.K. governments of all colours have failed to keep records which allows them to determine when an EU citizen arrived in the U.K. Records that would, of course, have allowed the U.K. to remove unemployed EU citizens who do not have sufficient resources and health insurance after 3 months even before Brexit.

But it’s ok, that is the government which will have control of our borders and I am sure they’ll get it right this time eh?
 

Wanderer

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The Peace Of Westphalia, read about it, it sees over the shift from Monarchial alignments to that of Nationhood. Was King/Queen, then the bit of land you were born in (Jus Solis). The 'Nation'

That concept has now gone, the world has changed, people can go anywhere whenever reasonably cheaply singularly or en-mass, moment is either cultural, econonic, or social, doesn't matter, it's happening and currently it cannot be stopped.

So get used to it or get off the planet. It's really happening' to ya'.....
 

Wattie

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You are aware I assume, that as non-members of schengen, that we were never out of control of our borders.

But it seems that you are conflating freedom of movement with control of borders. Sadly freedom of movement will not end on Brexit day (whenever that will be) because successive U.K. governments of all colours have failed to keep records which allows them to determine when an EU citizen arrived in the U.K. Records that would, of course, have allowed the U.K. to remove unemployed EU citizens who do not have sufficient resources and health insurance after 3 months even before Brexit.

But it’s ok, that is the government which will have control of our borders and I am sure they’ll get it right this time eh?
I’m not conflating it, the previous post I replied to seems to have a problem with it and used “taking back control” as an encompassing phrase in reference to needing to get various travel permissions around Europe!

I guess our government record keeping is similarily shambolic to Eu countries I pointed out previously who didn’t know expats were living in their chosen country for tax purposes.

Im pretty certain that next time their will be more stringent controls at Borders than previously, on all sides. People on visas etc are always at risk of not returning after expiry.
 
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Wattie

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But it seems that you are conflating freedom of movement with control of borders. Sadly freedom of movement will not end on Brexit day (whenever that will be) because successive U.K. governments of all colours have failed to keep records which allows them to determine when an EU citizen arrived in the U.K. Records that would, of course, have allowed the U.K. to remove unemployed EU citizens who do not have sufficient resources and health insurance after 3 months even before Brexit.

But it’s ok, that is the government which will have control of our borders and I am sure they’ll get it right this time eh?
Poor record keeping now fixed.