Brexit Deal

[daverichardson]

Fair point

 

[safrane]

c1.2m more voted out... Glastonbury must have been very busy then last year.

 

[Oneball]

Speaking of older and younger generations just had a moment on the train that made me chuckle. A gentlemen of pensioner age asked a teenage girl how to get letters on his old 12 button keypad mobile phone and she didn’t know either.

 

[TimR]

c1.2m more voted out... Glastonbury must have been very busy then last year.

Quite...
And I think the notion of "younger generation" aa it relates those attracted to Glastonbury for entertainment, and those referred to in the context of Brexit is clearly not well understood either...!

 

[safrane]

Press the keys for the same number of tomes as the letter on the key in rapid successes ion

 

[TimR]

Speaking of older and younger generations just had a moment on the train that made me chuckle. A gentlemen of pensioner age asked a teenage girl how to get letters on his old 12 button keypad mobile phone and she didn’t know either.

Ive had that problem myself...at over 50 years of age,,,I think I must qualify !!

 

[safrane]

Quite...
And I think the notion of "younger generation" aa it relates those attracted to Glastonbury for entertainment, and those referred to in the context of Brexit is clearly not well understood either...!

And I have seen the age of those who attend...lots of old hippies and rockers... in fact they are the only ones who can afford the tickets...lucky baby boomers

 

[FIFTY]

Well that way lays madness, I found in the Referendum lead up every argument put up by the leavers was countered by an equally valid argument to remain. Turns out there were untruths on both sides.
I have been around a while and know not to believe most politicians most of the time so I made my choice (leave or remain) based on other factors that I am comfortable with. These may or may not fit with other peoples ideas but they are mine and equally valid Hence the need for a referendum
It has been quoted many times that younger people have been screwed by the older generation (Vince Cable) etc. Well the Referendum was held at the same time as Glastonbury where a lot of the young set chose to go rather than exercise their democratic right - regardless of postal votes and the like. They are now unhappy and want a re run because they did not get their way and as for the argument that the older set will not be around over the next 20 years or so is nonsense

It’s strikes me you and I took the same information given to us and came to the same conclusion, that it was generally bunkum. We then made a different but equally valid decision.

Rightly or wrongly those of us who feel we were betrayed by the older generation (we don’t mean Vince we mean the voters) do so because we feel they are being isolationist, colonialist and don’t understand the need for humanity to act together.

I feel as though some points require a little clarity

The campaign to leave and remain should have been above all an education of what the EU does for its citizens such as individual rights (equal rights in the workplace, human rights, freedom of movement, etc.). They should have also educated people on the functions of each EU body, the electorate, checks and balances etc. Beyond these two elements the economic function of the customs union comes into play, EU subsidies and redevelopment grants; list goes on... these are fundamentals the majority of the populations were deprived from. The EU itself acknowledges a "knowledge deficit" amongst member states populations of what its functions are and how it works - so this should have been addressed with a factual campaign on the media and info leaflets through the front door.

The leave campaign should have talked about the drawbacks of the EU i.e. "pooling sovereignty" does not really work causing a huge amount of bureaucracy which equates to a slow process and expanding costs. Issues for farmers and fisheries... How they can improve citizen rights over and above the EU... migrants certainly is a valid argument but surely not the main one as it applies both ways... Finally some cold hard realities of what the landscape might be like if the UK is isolated from the EU.

Instead we had arguments about NHS spending, immigration (including EU migrants but also a lot of people muddled in outside of EU migrants), false guarantees on farming and fishery subsidies. Some people viewed it as a class war against the bourgeoisie... It seemed to me as though the leave campaign did whatever they wanted while the remainers tried to rebut their nonsense instead of running a coherent campaign

 

[safrane]

Surprised by the regional results... most voted out.

https://www.electoralcommission.org...u-referendum/electorate-and-count-information

 

[FIFTY]

Oh and going to a festival instead of voting... guys were you model citizens in your 20's? I certainly was not!

 

[Wanderer]

I was on the bus recently and there's there blue-rinse OAPs moaning about young people and how discourteous they are and in my head I'm saying 'No, we're not, we are really not'....

Then I thought 'Feck me, I'm 57.....'

At what age do you become 'old'?

 

[Oneball]

I was on the bus recently and there's there blue-rinse OAPs moaning about young people and how discourteous they are and in my head I'm saying 'No, we're not, we are really not'....

Then I thought 'Feck me, I'm 57.....'

At what age do you become 'old'?

You become old when you start moaning about the young.

There’s some little toerag on the train playing his trashy music too loud

 

[Nibby]

It was cheap the last time I went.

 

[FIFTY]

I was on the bus recently and there's there blue-rinse OAPs moaning about young people and how discourteous they are and in my head I'm saying 'No, we're not, we are really not'....

Then I thought 'Feck me, I'm 57.....'

At what age do you become 'old'?

I'm 32 and am a little fed up of this attitude, I feel as though my respect should be earned.... many "older" people are rude and stand-offish - certainly does nothing for me to be pleasant to someone... does not matter of what their age is. Smile be kind and you will get the same in return!

And yes I agree with the sentiment that "old people" have screwed over the younger generations.... I think my generation were pretty lost anyway (house prices that have increased up to ten fold in some places in 20 years while pay has stayed largely the same) but this will really slow down the progression of the 18-26 year old bracket into good jobs and their own homes... if we leave the EU or not the economic effect has a lasting effect.

 

[conaero]

Mainland Europe is a nation of renters...

We are in Europe...

Go figure?

 

[D Walker]

28 pages and I still dont know if I am coming or going....

 

[Wanderer]

Mainland Europe is a nation of renters...

We are in Europe...

Go figure?

That's Thatcher's legacy, sell the very houses the people already own to them and simultaneously turn them into home-owning pseudo-Tories and guaranteed future votes.

And then, with the councils having no houses left to rent, and thereby less expenses, introduce the Council Tax over rates, average two to times hike in cost, again stripping ordinary people of money they can barely afford along with their new mortgages which around the early nineties ISTR, peaked at 15% interest rate.

And, she stole my school milk. And Nicholas Parson's dad delivered her, wish I could go back in time to that moment.....

 

[TimR]

It was cheap the last time I went.

....I used to jump over the fence....!

But you're right. Rock' n' Roll has become very "Establishment"..!

 

[Oneball]

That's Thatcher's legacy, sell the very houses the people already own to them and simultaneously turn them into home-owning pseudo-Tories and guaranteed future votes.

And then, with the councils having no houses left to rent, and thereby less expenses, introduce the Council Tax over rates, average two to times hike in cost, again stripping ordinary people of money they can barely afford along with their new mortgages which around the early nineties ISTR, peaked at 15% interest rate.

And, she stole my school milk. And Nicholas Parson's dad delivered her, wish I could go back in time to that moment.....

It wasnt Maggie, the desire to be a home owner, that exists in this country but not in many other parts of Europe, comes from the house building policies after WW1. She was just appealing to the voters.

 

[TimR]

Ah yes...buying the vote in a free economy under transparent, democratic edicts...
What could possibly go wrong with a conflict of interests like that///?

 

[Wanderer]

It wasnt Maggie, the desire to be a home owner, that exists in this country but not in many other parts of Europe, comes from the house building policies after WW1. She was just appealing to the voters.

Didn't exist in the industrial North West UK, until my mum and dad bought their council house sometime in the 80's I knew no one who had a mortgage let alone owned a house outright.

Maggie did it for votes, as she did with the Falklands.