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Wanderer

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Wattie

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Really?

Under May, nope that’s it, feck off, take it or leave it, we’re not changing, get lost, blah blah...
Treason May “ok then”

New Management take over,
Now, “It would seem that both Mr Macron and Angela Merkel are determined not to shut the door entirely in Boris Johnson's face, and perhaps equally determined not to be blamed for no deal”
Blink,
EU Now- let’s see what you can do in30 days......

Uk Response
We The UK promise “that "under no circumstances" will the UK put checks or controls on the Ireland-UK border” Ireland has already promised not to erect a border.
So who is going to build it, the EU?
They would then be responsible for the breakdown of peace in Ireland,
Or perhaps Donald Trump- Paid For by Mexico?

Eu response......mon dieu, mange tout,....

In 30 Days time the Eu will have resumed Qe.
Europe/ Germany economic situation will be even more dire!

How much of a “bail out” will Ireland need in a no deal scenario from the EU to add to this?

Plus We refuse to give them 39billion?

Oh and Macron has to explain to French fisherman they can’t fish in Uk waters come Halloween.

A deal will be done and the backstop won’t be in it and

we’ll be out.
 
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empzb

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Under May, nope that’s it, feck off, take it or leave it, we’re not changing, get lost, blah blah...
Treason May “ok then”

New Management take over,
Now, “It would seem that both Mr Macron and Angela Merkel are determined not to shut the door entirely in Boris Johnson's face, and perhaps equally determined not to be blamed for no deal”
Blink,
EU Now- let’s see what you can do in30 days......

Uk Response
We The UK promise “that "under no circumstances" will the UK put checks or controls on the Ireland-UK border” Ireland has already promised not to erect a border.
So who is going to build it, the EU?
They would then be responsible for the breakdown of peace in Ireland,
Or perhaps Donald Trump- Paid For by Mexico?

Eu response......mon dieu, mange tout,....

In 30 Days time the Eu will have resumed Qe.
Europe/ Germany economic situation will be even more dire!

How much of a “bail out” will Ireland need in a no deal scenario from the EU to add to this?

Plus We refuse to give them 39billion?

Oh and Macron has to explain to French fisherman they can’t fish in Uk waters come Halloween.

A deal will be done and the backstop won’t be in it and

we’ll be out.
How do we control our borders without checks? Or is NI the new smuggling route of choice.
 

empzb

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With the technology the UK government has previously introduced at HMRC, DWP, CSA etc., that definitely aren't over-budget clusterfucks without exception.
I saw a quote and got excited thinking someone here had cracked it. Sign of the times I guess, although I'm sure collectively this forum would do a better job than what's gone on the past 3 years and be a **** sight better than the current disgrace of a cabinet.
 

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How do we control our borders without checks? Or is NI the new smuggling route of choice.
Well they're not getting checked at the moment are they?
And last time I looked it was an Island so that means boating or planeing stuff in which should be easy to regulate...presumably its happening now.
 

Wanderer

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Well they're not getting checked at the moment are they?
And last time I looked it was an Island so that means boating or planeing stuff in which should be easy to regulate...presumably its happening now.
Eh?

That makes no sense, I fly to Ireland and back to UK every few weeks, no passport, I drive via ferry to Ireland and back every six weeks or so, no checks, no searches, no passport.

CTA trumps EU, and whilst both UK/IRL have both said the CTA will remain, zero thought has been given as to how this will effect Brexit, remember the CTA is very precise, despite having no legal standing, it's in no statue books, basically UK/IRL and IRL/UK are not considered foreign to one another, and neither are subject to immigration control within UK/IRL.

So work that one out post-brexit, it's impossible which reminds me to to remind you why did the UK and IRL join the EU at exactly the same time?
 

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Eh?

That makes no sense, I fly to Ireland and back to UK every few weeks, no passport, I drive via ferry to Ireland and back every six weeks or so, no checks, no searches, no passport.

CTA trumps EU, and whilst both UK/IRL have both said the CTA will remain, zero thought has been given as to how this will effect Brexit, remember the CTA is very precise, despite having no legal standing, it's in no statue books, basically UK/IRL and IRL/UK are not considered foreign to one another, and neither are subject to immigration control within UK/IRL.

So work that one out post-brexit, it's impossible which reminds me to to remind you why did the UK and IRL join the EU at exactly the same time?
It does make sense actually. There are generally two reasons for border controls. To stope undesirable things coming in.....and sometimes out. And to regulate trade in goods, eg make sure the correct taxes are paid, licences are in place etc.

Currently these controls do not exist on the land border between Ireland and NI, yes? This is because of the free movement of EU people and goods, and relies on the borders with the rest of the world (non-EU) to control the entry of undesirable things into the EU and regulate trade in non-EU goods.

So if those solutions are working well enough now, why can’t we continue to rely on them in a post-Brexit world, eg an undesirable person or thing from outside Ireland/NI can only get into Ireland/NI via sea or air, so those controls would remain at the ports and airports. And with trade, similarly, you would control the entry of goods at the port or airport of arrival in Ireland or NI. If something came into an Ireland port or airport destined for NI then this would be declared and systems would be in place to collect the taxes in the country of destination and vice versa on a postponed basis, ie with no hold up at the port of airport. Such systems already exist for non-EU goods so could be extended to cover EU goods from outside Ireland and NI.

So all that is really required here is that Ireland and NI continue to properly manage their borders with the rest of the world and an acceptance that things that originate in Ireland/NI, eg people and goods are free to cross the land border (goods with the existing systems to collect the taxes on a postponed basis).

So this is just another of those political mischiefs that we have been told it is impossible for the EU to accept, when the reality is it would be relatively easy to manage with existing process and systems. Which the EU knows because it has already assured Ireland there will be no hard border with NI if we leave with “no deal”.
 

Wattie

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It does make sense actually. There are generally two reasons for border controls. To stope undesirable things coming in.....and sometimes out. And to regulate trade in goods, eg make sure the correct taxes are paid, licences are in place etc.

Currently these controls do not exist on the land border between Ireland and NI, yes? This is because of the free movement of EU people and goods, and relies on the borders with the rest of the world (non-EU) to control the entry of undesirable things into the EU and regulate trade in non-EU goods.

So if those solutions are working well enough now, why can’t we continue to rely on them in a post-Brexit world, eg an undesirable person or thing from outside Ireland/NI can only get into Ireland/NI via sea or air, so those controls would remain at the ports and airports. And with trade, similarly, you would control the entry of goods at the port or airport of arrival in Ireland or NI. If something came into an Ireland port or airport destined for NI then this would be declared and systems would be in place to collect the taxes in the country of destination and vice versa on a postponed basis, ie with no hold up at the port of airport. Such systems already exist for non-EU goods so could be extended to cover EU goods from outside Ireland and NI.

So all that is really required here is that Ireland and NI continue to properly manage their borders with the rest of the world and an acceptance that things that originate in Ireland/NI, eg people and goods are free to cross the land border (goods with the existing systems to collect the taxes on a postponed basis).

So this is just another of those political mischiefs that we have been told it is impossible for the EU to accept, when the reality is it would be relatively easy to manage with existing process and systems. Which the EU knows because it has already assured Ireland there will be no hard border with NI if we leave with “no deal”.
Thank you, i’m glad that someone else agrees that the no current checks and the UK’s promise of no future checks is one and the same- status quo maintained.

It would therefore be the EU introducing such and creating a danger to peace and as we know they’ve already said they won’t.
Total Irish red herring......simply a trap to ensure we don’t leave, ever.
 

Wattie

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Thank you, i’m glad that someone else agrees that the no current checks and the UK’s promise of no future checks is one and the same- status quo maintained.

It would therefore be the EU introducing such and creating a danger to peace and as we know they’ve already said they won’t.
Total Irish red herring......simply a trap to ensure we don’t leave, ever.
Worth a read- https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-impossibility-of-an-all-weather-backstop/

Tusks comments yesterday were ridiculous. He's an ars3 and it shows the total arrogance that the Eu has portrayed from Day 1 and that they were allowed to get away with.
It takes 2 or more parties to negotiate any deal and if those parties do not agree on a settlement than they are all involved in the failure.

Well done Boris for finally standing up to the Eu and fighting the UK’s corner.59667
 
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