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Wack61

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Broke down thursday , AA guy was Polish , we had a chat , he has a degree in engineering as does his wife who is an Ofsted inspector
When poland joined in 2004 his family is exactly what the government were expecting , professional people looking for a better life, not the dregs of europe
Even he said the UK government were stupid for not enforcing an Australian immigration policy.

he has 2 kids at private grammar school with 1 and 3 years to go , if Brexit happens he's making plans to move to Spain

I'm not sure the those that actually voted out expected it to happen , I think even boris though itll be 60-40, we'll stay in but be able to use that as a bargaining tool on immigration

They should've grown some balls and said no if you haven't got skills we want 10 years ago then we wouldn't be in this mess

Polish AA guy was great, split flexi pipe , no brakes, 20m finding pipe, 1hr to get it (birmingham) 1hr to fit it , job done
 

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Nothing to with principle. Everything to do with avoiding tax.

Avoiding tax via loopholes isn’t illegal but it is immoral. It’s self centred and small minded.
 

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Nothing to with principle. Everything to do with avoiding tax.

Avoiding tax via loopholes isn’t illegal but it is immoral. It’s self centred and small minded.
Not a single law broken in doing so.
I’m correct aren’t I.....no laws were broken.
You probably do lots of things that are immoral. No-one judges you.
Saddle up your high horse and get outa dodge.
 
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“Nothing to with principle. Everything to do with avoiding tax.Avoiding tax via loopholes isn’t illegal but it is immoral. It’s self centred and small minded.
“Nothing to with principle. Everything to do with avoiding tax.Avoiding tax via loopholes isn’t illegal but it is immoral. It’s self centred and small minded”

Officer, I was doing 60 in a 70. Why have you stopped me?
Well, you lucky b4stard, you were driving your V8 Maserati gas guzzler and waking up the neighbourhood in the process.
You should be driving a Prius.
I’m sorry officer, I was being “self centred and small minded”
Yes you were, but you haven’t committed any crime therefore I have to let you go. But be warned, the Eu will be clamping down on your legal activities in future.

Anyone of sound mind wants to pay less tax, especially if they don’t trust those imposing it to use it wisely.
 
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MrMickS

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Not a single law broken in doing so.
Am I correct?
You probably do lots of things that are immoral. No-one judges you.
Saddle up your high horse and get outa dodge.

No nothing illegal. Just Rees-Mogg has an ulterior motive for Brexit. Nothing to do with “taking back control” or anything so idealistic. Simple greed.

There is an agenda that tax is bad. It’s something that has been pushed by those that pay the most. They’ve engineered it by giving those at the bottom tax cuts.

The reality is that those tax cuts have been accompanied by an assault on the welfare state. The balance has been towards those with money and away from those without. We need to pay tax in order to afford the services we provide, to fund the Armed Forces, to build infrastructure, to repair roads.

“This I’m alright Jack” attitude sucks. Likewise the “if you don’t like it leave” one which is insidious at best.
 

Wattie

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No nothing illegal. Just Rees-Mogg has an ulterior motive for Brexit. Nothing to do with “taking back control” or anything so idealistic. Simple greed.
No, I disa greed.
If you can’t make more money legally.....your only option is to make money illegally.
What would you choose?
 
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GeoffCapes

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Don't know if you saw this the other day. But a weaker pound does this.
Brexit has made the pound weaker. And a hard Brexit will make the pound crash to much lower levels.


Is financial ruin and people starving really worth it to 'take back control'?

I'm actually really concerned about what will happen if we crash out with no deal and we have a harsh winter. As energy bills will fly up due to the UK being out of the EU Energy buying group, and the fall in the pound.
Those struggling now to make ends meet, with be under a huge strain to put food on the table and heat their homes.
We could actually see Brexit costing lives.
And I don't say that lightly.
 

GeoffCapes

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On a lighter note. Everyone has seen this.


With Tim Martin being a massive Brexiter.

I saw on the tv at the weekend that the deals Wetherspoons has done to bring in beers and wines from countries outside of the EU won't actually be of much use.
The booze he's actually bringing in, from outside the EU, is done so using a framework which allows zero tariffs for countries that are part the EU!

Effectively that booze will cost him more the moment we leave the EU!

You couldn't make it up! :saifi3:
 

rivarama

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Not a single law broken in doing so.
I’m correct aren’t I.....no laws were broken.
You probably do lots of things that are immoral. No-one judges you.
Saddle up your high horse and get outa dodge.
It is ironic as the same people usually bash google, Facebook, Starbucks etc... for not paying taxes. One has to appreciate that flagrant double standard!!!!
 

rivarama

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Whether you like Blair or not, he published an interesting article in the Times today. Put your “he’s a traitor and should have been hanged for his treason in pulling us into Irak” lenses aside and try to read that objectively
 

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midlifecrisis

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There's a lot to be said for our poor tax laws. Which is down to the incompetence of the HMRC/HM government being over complicated with too many loopholes. Taxation should be straight forward, every person working in the UK should pay in, every company doing business should pay in. It's immoral not to pay for the education, free health care, transportation (roads/rail) etc of your employees. Maybe the HMRC should state how much the big revenue earners actually pay in, and shame them into paying more.
 

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There's a lot to be said for our poor tax laws. Which is down to the incompetence of the HMRC/HM government being over complicated with too many loopholes. Taxation should be straight forward, every person working in the UK should pay in, every company doing business should pay in. It's immoral not to pay for the education, free health care, transportation (roads/rail) etc of your employees. Maybe the HMRC should state how much the big revenue earners actually pay in, and shame them into paying more.

Well yes, right until you actually look at the situation.

So Johhny Ives is the design driving force behind Apple (or was) He's in the USA, but Apple products sell globally. I don't think anyone would argue that a proportion of sales of Apple products are due to Johnny's input so where was 'the work done'?

<edit> Just an example BTW. There are many more for global companies...
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zagatoes30

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I'm actually really concerned about what will happen if we crash out with no deal and we have a harsh winter. As energy bills will fly up due to the UK being out of the EU Energy buying group, and the fall in the pound.
Those struggling now to make ends meet, with be under a huge strain to put food on the table and heat their homes.
We could actually see Brexit costing lives.
And I don't say that lightly.

It will be OK if you live outside of the UK somewhere warm say Australia maybe ;)
 

rivarama

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Well yes, right until you actually look at the situation.

So Johhny Ives is the design driving force behind Apple (or was) He's in the USA, but Apple products sell globally. I don't think anyone would argue that a proportion of sales of Apple products are due to Johnny's input so where was 'the work done'?

<edit> Just an example BTW. There are many more for global companies...
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Agreed with that statement. Taxes cannot be straightforward because life and business just is not simple black and white.
Also, every country in the world has a complex tax system, even countries on both end of the spectrum as far as tax rate is concerned.
And even if the tax code was more straightforward, financial engineering is always outsmarting the legislation, or at least a step ahead.
It also is a matter of game theory and relative competitive advantage... so nothing simple about that either.