Brexit Deal

Wattie

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Some potentially important developments over the last few days.

Mp’s voted against rejecting “no deal”.

Boris takes massive jump towards being PM after the first votes.

It’s beginning to square up for “High Noon” 31/10.

Maybe someone serious about Brexit stood in front of them will get the EU to re-think.
 
MarkMas

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Numerous columnists and friends have declared, over the past few weeks, with a certain grim satisfaction, that the EU have said their last word on the Brexit negotiations, after many months of close discussion and anxious examination, and that we will not get better terms, despite the observations of the Conservative Party leadership candidates. They say that the UK must now simply accept the terms that are offered, to avoid the inevitable dangers and penalties of a refusal.

It was particularly chilling, therefore, to read, in yesterday's edition of The Times, an editorial from 19 June 1919, saying much the same thing about another European nation being forced to accept a similar proposition.

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daverichardson

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MarkMas said:
Numerous columnists and friends have declared, over the past few weeks, with a certain grim satisfaction, that the EU have said their last word on the Brexit negotiations, after many months of close discussion and anxious examination, and that we will not get better terms, despite the observations of the Conservative Party leadership candidates. They say that the UK must now simply accept the terms that are offered, to avoid the inevitable dangers and penalties of a refusal.

It was particularly chilling, therefore, to read, in yesterday's edition of The Times, an editorial from 19 June 1919, saying much the same thing about another European nation being forced to accept a similar proposition.

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Look at the grammar and wording in that article. Fantastic
Beats the pants off today's efforts
'Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster' et al
 
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Rather than putting up gold price charts, I thought it might be useful to highlight Sir Ivan Rogers' analysis from a day or so ago, putting things into frightening perspective. Uncomfortable reading for all politicians, be they Remainers or Brexiteers. It's not short (because it is not a simplistic argument, unlike those from the leadership candidates). You need a clear head to read it. But if you genuinely have an interest in how Brexit will affect us, I strongly recommend a strong black coffee and 30 minutes of your time. And if anyone thinks Mr B Johnson has the intellect or diplomatic skills to bring about an acceptable outcome, then god help you (or rather, your children).

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/ivan-rogers-no-deal-is-now-the-most-likely-outcome/
 
Wattie

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jonny said:
Rather than putting up gold price charts, I thought it might be useful to highlight Sir Ivan Rogers' analysis from a day or so ago, putting things into frightening perspective. Uncomfortable reading for all politicians, be they Remainers or Brexiteers. It's not short (because it is not a simplistic argument, unlike those from the leadership candidates). You need a clear head to read it. But if you genuinely have an interest in how Brexit will affect us, I strongly recommend a strong black coffee and 30 minutes of your time. And if anyone thinks Mr B Johnson has the intellect or diplomatic skills to bring about an acceptable outcome, then god help you (or rather, your children).

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/ivan-rogers-no-deal-is-now-the-most-likely-outcome/
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Hence you’d better consider getting some gold.......think of it as “Boris Insurance”
 
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Wattie said:
Hence you’d better consider getting some gold.......think of it as “Boris Insurance”
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Well I've had gold (and US$) for quite a while, indeed as a hedge against Brexit. I'm sure most people in the country including those earning just above the minimum wage also have...
 
Wattie

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jonny said:
Well I've had gold (and US$) for quite a while, indeed as a hedge against Brexit. I'm sure most people in the country including those earning just above the minimum wage also have...
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In that case you’ll be very pleased, great decision- going much higher.
Unfortunately I don’t think “most” do.
 
GeoffCapes

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jonny said:
Rather than putting up gold price charts, I thought it might be useful to highlight Sir Ivan Rogers' analysis from a day or so ago, putting things into frightening perspective. Uncomfortable reading for all politicians, be they Remainers or Brexiteers. It's not short (because it is not a simplistic argument, unlike those from the leadership candidates). You need a clear head to read it. But if you genuinely have an interest in how Brexit will affect us, I strongly recommend a strong black coffee and 30 minutes of your time. And if anyone thinks Mr B Johnson has the intellect or diplomatic skills to bring about an acceptable outcome, then god help you (or rather, your children).

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/ivan-rogers-no-deal-is-now-the-most-likely-outcome/
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Very interesting article.

A No Deal Brexit is looking likely if all the things he says come in to play.
I can't see Boris asking for an extension based purely on what is currently on the table. And he also won't re-package May's deal.
What's the alternative?
Is there an alternative?
If there is no alternative, how does Boris overcome the HoC when they have categorically said that they will not vote for a no deal Brexit? An election?

Thinking logically, the outcome would be (IMHO) something like this.

Boris goes to the EU with a load of demands which he knows they will not agree to.
He then gets and extension after declaring an election.
And then after winning (I hope to god Comrade Corbyn doesn't get in) with a majority, pushes through a no deal Brexit.

This is all if Boris wins the Tory party leadership contest.
 
Wattie

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GeoffCapes said:
Very interesting article.

A No Deal Brexit is looking likely if all the things he says come in to play.
I can't see Boris asking for an extension based purely on what is currently on the table. And he also won't re-package May's deal.
What's the alternative?
Is there an alternative?
If there is no alternative, how does Boris overcome the HoC when they have categorically said that they will not vote for a no deal Brexit? An election?

Thinking logically, the outcome would be (IMHO) something like this.

Boris goes to the EU with a load of demands which he knows they will not agree to.
He then gets and extension after declaring an election.
And then after winning (I hope to god Comrade Corbyn doesn't get in) with a majority, pushes through a no deal Brexit.

This is all if Boris wins the Tory party leadership contest.
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You’re assuming the Brexit party don’t win an election.......
 
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Whoever the new leader is they will absolutely not risk a GE. They would see it at best as handing the reigns over to a majority win to Corbyn or another coalition between the beleaguered Tories and the Brexit party! possibly with themselves as the lesser party!

The EU are not going to re-open the negotiations on the existing offer as it was so good for them and UK have supposedly rejected a no-deal. They are just going to sit back and watch the deadline expire now, forcing the UK out or accept the lame duck deal as is which cannot be allowed to happen. The UK is in a catch 22 and they know it.
 
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2b1ask1 said:
Whoever the new leader is they will absolutely not risk a GE. They would see it at best as handing the reigns over to a majority win to Corbyn or another coalition between the beleaguered Tories and the Brexit party! possibly with themselves as the lesser party!

The EU are not going to re-open the negotiations on the existing offer as it was so good for them and UK have supposedly rejected a no-deal. They are just going to sit back and watch the deadline expire now, forcing the UK out or accept the lame duck deal as is which cannot be allowed to happen. The UK is in a catch 22 and they know it.
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The Eu will not force us out by refusing an extension. They had that opportunity before and didn’t and now they’re even more screwed economically - and we’re threatening to withhold the cash.

Draghi’s drivel yesterday proved the Ponzi scheme needs more cash.

I’m not sure however either main party can get this through and if the tories fail at the second attempt I see the Brexit Party winning an election. Then we’re out.
 
midlifecrisis

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Wattie said:
The Eu will not force us out by refusing an extension. They had that opportunity before and didn’t and now they’re even more screwed economically - and we’re threatening to withhold the cash.

Draghi’s drivel yesterday proved the Ponzi scheme needs more cash.

I’m not sure however either main party can get this through and if the tories fail at the second attempt I see the Brexit Party winning an election. Then we’re out.
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It's alright you throwing stones from afar but we're living this fiasco every effing day. Can you not see that Farage is a not a credible politician but a narcissist like Trump, Mussolini, Putin (Putain!) , Nazarbayev Mugabe, Stalin, I could go on...they did.
 
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