Biturbos/number cars/Ghibli IIs for sale

dickyb

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That second Ghibli might be my old one (the first Maserati I had), as that was a back LHD car from 1994/5 on an ”M” plate. Though mine was a 2.0 lt version and this ad states 2.8 lt (though that could be wrong).

The black car is a Japanese import (headlamps and rear privacy glass are the giveaways) so it will be a 2.8 as they never sold the 2.0 in Japan. You can confirm that its definitely a 2.8 by looking at the right side cam cover, a 2.8 will have "2800" written on it as can be seen in the engine bay photos of this car. Being a 5 speed is also a giveaway, the Series 1a and MY94 2.8 had a 5 speed gearbox whereas the 2.0 had a 6 speed gearbox from the introduction of the Ghibli in 1992. The 2.8 finally got the 6 speed gearbox with the introduction of the GT in May 1995.

The dark green car has mismatched headlamps, left side is an original Series 1/1a, right side is from a MY94/GT. They've described the interior colour incorrectly, its Beige Nuvolato, not Pele (sic) Avorio (Avorio is ivory, a pale cream colour. Pelle is simply the Italian word for leather)
 
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Cyclone1

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It’s a shame they are not GT’s, but still interesting to see how they do in their respective sales.
 
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It’s a shame they are not GT’s, but still interesting to see how they do in their respective sales.

Unless I'm mistaken these both look like very early GTs. Crossover cars if you will. That said, I guess it would depend on details such as rear diff etc.
 

dickyb

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Unless I'm mistaken these both look like very early GTs. Crossover cars if you will. That said, I guess it would depend on details such as rear diff etc.

Regrettably you are mistaken, neither of these cars are GTs or even close to being one.
The green car is very obviously a Series 1a, you can tell this from the wheel design (the pcd is actually different to later cars); the bumpers are different from later cars; the bonnet vents are flat and have mesh rather than the slats of later cars; there is no ABS; (one of) the headlights has a silver backing; the Trident on the bootlid has no surround; the badge on the steering wheel is rectangular (later cars have an oval shaped badge); and the dashboard wood on the passenger side is inlaid with “Maserati” whereas a later car would have “Ghibli”.
The black car is obviously a MY94 because it only has a 5 speed gearbox whereas a 2.8 GT would have a 6 speed. The fuel pipe in the engine bay is on the left side of the car (right side as you look at it from the front) whereas on a GT it would be on the opposite side, right side of car, left side as you look at it from the engine bay. The wheels are MY94 items and are 16”, although in the case of Japanese market cars, these were often fitted to GTs rather than the usual 17” items fitted to rest of the world market cars. Unusually for a Japanese market MY94, this car doesn’t have the electric folding mirrors that most were fitted with.
There is no need to examine the diffs on either of these cars as they are definitely not GTs.
 
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Haha! Like I said, I wasn't sure but thanks for the info @dickyb, good to learn more.

It'll be interesting to see what they sell for.
The moss green looks lovely, nearly as nice as my verde tundra—on what most certainly is an early GT ;)
 

dickyb

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The stick-on spoiler is giving me the heebee-jeebies...


There are unfortunately a few cars out there with rear spoilers, they look awful☹️.
Interestingly that car has the unusual no-cost option of electronic suspension delete, it’s quite rare to see - you will notice there is no control pad next to the gear lever.
There are a number of errors in the description of the advert that make my teeth itch...
 

Cyclone1

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There are unfortunately a few cars out there with rear spoilers, they look awful☹.
Interestingly that car has the unusual no-cost option of electronic suspension delete, it’s quite rare to see - you will notice there is no control pad next to the gear lever.
There are a number of errors in the description of the advert that make my teeth itch...
Were the rear spoilers an option, or in this case aftermarket? Electronic suspension delete is arguably a good thing, given the general operation was questionable?
 

dickyb

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Were the rear spoilers an option, or in this case aftermarket? Electronic suspension delete is arguably a good thing, given the general operation was questionable?
They’re an aftermarket fitment, I’m not sure if anyone made a Ghibli specific spoiler or if they’re a spoiler from another car that happens to be about the right size. This is the worst one I’ve ever seen, tragically it’s fitted to a Primatist

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The electronic suspension is actually fairly reliable and the units can be rebuilt if necessary
 

Cyclone1

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Great info again :)
They’re an aftermarket fitment, I’m not sure if anyone made a Ghibli specific spoiler or if they’re a spoiler from another car that happens to be about the right size. This is the worst one I’ve ever seen, tragically it’s fitted to a Primatist

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I’m not against aftermarket enhancements but totally agree with you, that spoiler and additional mods do not look great on that Primatist :confused:

electronic suspension is actually fairly reliable and the units can be rebuilt if necessary
That is good to know and yes I’ve found threads on here on getting the units rebuilt. I still wouldn’t be bothered in the slightest if the car came without it, or had an adjustable coilover set up fitted. For improved driving dynamics and as a long term solution, it’s the latter I’d go with.
 
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CatmanV2

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They’re an aftermarket fitment, I’m not sure if anyone made a Ghibli specific spoiler or if they’re a spoiler from another car that happens to be about the right size. This is the worst one I’ve ever seen, tragically it’s fitted to a Primatist

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The electronic suspension is actually fairly reliable and the units can be rebuilt if necessary

Looks like a 156 SP2 spoiler

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TimR

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I dunno..I dont think that spoiler is the most offensive thing about that car...not by a long way in my view..
The Primatist kind of leaves itself open to abuse. It's "out there" from the factory, and an acquired taste by design, surely...? :confused:
 

dickyb

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I dunno..I dont think that spoiler is the most offensive thing about that car...not by a long way in my view..
The Primatist kind of leaves itself open to abuse. It's "out there" from the factory, and an acquired taste by design, surely...? :confused:

Go and stand in the corner! The Primatist is awesome and I’d have one over a Cup. That particular example is tragic though:

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dt95aac

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The stick-on spoiler is giving me the heebee-jeebies...


This is remarkably unoriginal.
It's a very early non-ABS Ghibli whith a lot of parts from newer cars.
Engine, wheels, centre console, spoiler, all belong to different cars.
Not one for the purist I guess.
 

Nayf

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This is remarkably unoriginal.
It's a very early non-ABS Ghibli whith a lot of parts from newer cars.
Engine, wheels, centre console, spoiler, all belong to different cars.
Not one for the purist I guess.
The quest for purity can be a bit of a blind alley. It may be different for Italian and other export markets, but for much of the Biturbo/‘number car’ era Maserati’s presence in the UK was, shall we say, sub optimal. There are tales from those who were involved at the time that explain that parts supply - and indeed, relations - with the factory were difficult, haphazard and trying, which means that many cars were essentially put together at the docks with whatever bits the importer (whoever it was) had at the time. It’s not unheard of for carb-era cars to wear bits that ‘should’ only be on facelift cars, and vice versa. Some cars sold and registered in 1990, for example, had actually been built two years earlier and had either been sat in Italy or the UK waiting for the next version of Maserati UK. Things, apparently, got better once Fiat/Ferrari started taking an interest but not to Porsche/BMW levels. So, expecting a Maserati of this era to appear just as the spec sheet says it should, is more of a bonus than an expectation.
Throw in minimal spares support - an issue, I’m also led to believe, almost entirely led by certain forces scuppering spare parts for Biturbo era cars on purpose - and it’s understandable owners scramble for what and where they can.
Then there’s general errors or mishaps leading to random specs. Take Alfa in the 00s. A fire on a ship bound for the Oriental RHD markets meant it was returned to the UK and the cars sold here with weird specs - 147 Ducati editions with 2.0 petrol Selespeeds rather than diesels, Selespeed GTAs, etc, registered much later than the ‘UK’ cars. Then there’s the Brera Prodrives that were assembled in the docks, only some of them only got the visual upgrades and not the suspension kit.
It’s not just an Italian thing; when SD1s switched production sites and bodyshells, they simply used up the parts they had left before moving on to the new boxes of bits. That’s happened more recently with the 4200/GranSport, as has been discussed on here.

From experience, such anomalies are normal and expecting every car - particularly an exotic Italian one from a company not known for its rigorous adherence to production instruction - to be precisely as described in model guides is a little short-sighted.
 
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