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philw696

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The plot thickens.
 

lozcb

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Just heard Nick Ferrari going on about Cummings and the church has come out re the hyprocacy of his actions :saifi::suicide:;):saifi::frusty5: , after all the paedo's priests and vicars that were neve prosecuted and moved to different parishes or countries i'd say they ought to keep their statements well out of it ...................................... All rather pot kettle and black to me
 

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The plot thickens.

Sounds like both Phils hear those voices lol I never listen to them , much prefer the tried and trusted tea leaves and palm reading method meself
 

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From Bob Stewart MP fb page
The Home Secretary has announced that from 8 June travellers arriving in the UK will have to self-isolate for 14 days or risk being fined, prosecuted or deported if they do not. Apparently, travellers will be required to fill out an on-line form on the Government website up to 48 hours before then providing contact information and the address where they intend to self-isolate once they arrive in country.

I suppose the science behind this move is that people who have been infected with Coronavirus tend to develop the illness within 7 days and then in the main tend to be through it by the 14th day. Thus, the public will be protected from a second wave of the illness being brought in from abroad.
But I recall that when such a quarantine period was first mooted at the beginning of the Coronavirus crisis the Government rejected the idea because, it claimed, it would make little difference to the infection rate. So, really what has changed now?

Then I understand that other European countries which have imposed such quarantines have lifted them because they felt they didn’t work and were indeed counter-productive.
Under these new quarantine rules most people will be expected to fill out the form in advance but there will be an opportunity at the border to do so if they have not been able to use the internet. The Border Agency will expect airlines, ships and Eurostar to check whether people have filled out forms in advance but they will not be required to turn people away from travelling if that has not happened.

Travellers are urged to use cars or other forms of private transport to travel from the airport when they arrive in the UK but if they must use public transport, they are advised to take the most direct route possible to their accommodation and follow guidance such as wearing face coverings. British travellers can go straight home and self-isolate there. Anyone who cannot provide a suitable address will be provided accommodation by the Government. The Home Office said this will be at a hotel.

Friends and family will not need to isolate with the people who have arrived, unless they have also travelled. But they should avoid contact with anyone they are staying with and minimise time spent in shared areas and use separate bathrooms if possible.

People could be fined £100 for not filling out the form, multiplying up to a £3,200 maximum amount. Breaching the self-isolation stipulation would result in a £1,000 fine and could lead to prosecution and then the potential unlimited fine.
While officials expect the majority of people will comply, they have warned those who deliberately flout the rules could face prosecution.

Spot checks are set to be carried out by officials, like Border Force officers, as travellers arrive at airports and ports to make sure they have filled out the forms. The Government has also threatened to carry out spot checks around the country to make sure people are complying. In the first instance public health authorities, using private contractors, will phone people and question them to establish whether they are self-isolating.

The rules will be reviewed every three weeks, so are expected to be in place until at least 29 June.

On 22 May the Government published a paper called ‘The Coronavirus (COVID-19): Travellers exempt from UK border rules’. This includes a huge and quite complicated to understand register of people who are exempt from this compulsory self-isolation. I have had a good root through this rather baffling list. To be honest I have no idea who or what it meant for some categories of people. But I did recognise that Eurostar personnel, medical professionals of various types, aircrew, servicemen and women, emergency service workers, seamen and masters of ships, BBC employees (why only them?), diplomats, people who live in UK but go abroad to work (or vice versa) at least once a week, and prisoner escorts for goodness sake were exempt from this 14 day quarantine period. Oh yes and seasonal agricultural workers can arrive but they must self-isolate on the farms where they work!

In all that list and apart from seasonal workers, I found it difficult to find anyone who actually made money for the country by their activities in the UK. rather than took it. That worried me hugely. The message is rather that our country is closed for business. The French were certainly put off. I gather France has retaliated by making anyone arriving from Blighty spend two weeks in clink.

I am very concerned for those who work for large airlines like BA, Virgin Atlantic and EasyJet. Loads of my constituents do and many are threatened with redundancy before this regulation was announced. Airports like Heathrow and Gatwick are already ghost towns and goodness knows how many jobs have been lost in their ground organisations.

Of course, we have our own local London Airport at Biggin Hill. It is the premier business airport for London. A very old friend of mine (from 1970) runs Biggin Hill and he has told me that the quarantining of arrivals will decimate business there. It’s quite eye-opening to look at the high-powered people and personalities who fly into and out of our local very successful London airport. The place is crammed full with executive jets. Bernie Ecclestone, for instance, has a huge Formula 1 facility there and flights into and out of Biggin Hill are vital to the business. The airport is the favoured landing site for board members of huge international companies when they meet in London. From Biggin Hill it is only a short helicopter hop into Town. Fourteen days quarantine as a price for a visit to London by top international businessmen is likely to be a price just not worth paying.

By the way Biggin Hill Airport is also home to 13 Spitfires, a Hawker Hurricane and one ME 109 too (well worth a visit when normality returns). You can fly in a Spitfire from there! What a treat!

To my knowledge tourist destinations in Southern Europe in places like Spain, France, Italy, Croatia and Greece are hoping to salvage perhaps a portion of half a season this year. I note that a lot of European beaches have been re-organised along social distancing rules (see photo). Imagine what people depending on tourism there feel? At a swoop, assuming we can travel in a month or so, tourists from UK will just not appear. What Brit would be happy to take a week or so in the sun and then, as result, spend a further two weeks banged away at home rather than returning to work?

Making it more personal I have been contacted by several constituents who are outraged by this quarantine proposal. Their parents live abroad (Switzerland, Spain, France) and they simply will not be able to visit them without having severe restrictions placed on them when they return.

I really do not understand why this 14-day isolation measure is suddenly flavour of the month when it was conclusively rejected as pointless at the start of the crisis. Clearly this move would do huge damage to British jobs and businesses.

In conclusion, I guess, by now, anyone reading this will have the impression that I am less than convinced for the need of this new quarantine restriction. That is true. Actually I hope the whole idea is dropped by 8 June.
 

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For me it is all a bit of a mockery with double standards and no consistency with little policing that I can see.

I have not heard anyone getting fined. We have people breaching lockdown all over the place. It is comical. We have a weak govt and no position of strength nationally or globally.

I don't see Cummings doing much different to the much of the country in reality. Do I like the guy? Don't know him but he seems a complex but arrogant sort. Don't sack him.....fine him. I am guessing he should be fined right?

The lockdown is a potentially a waste of time and has/is ruining businesses/jobs and the economy and we have no way of knowing if it is effective or not. Do it right and properly or don't bother.

I have no faith or trust in the govt and most of them in modern times ever knowing what they are doing. Could I do any better? Possibly not. Are they doing their best with unwavering total commitment? I don't feel so.

I broke into a customer office late yesterday PM/evening in daylight with permission. I set the alarm off first, saw and spoke to a guy from another other office, saw several passing cars one who shouted out me.to the the alarm off. Got in and was there for several hours fixing issues and getting all their network back up and fully working so they can work today. I was there for 6 hours.

No police, not challenged, could have emptied the office. Not a been. Does that seem not right?

This for me is the problem. There are far too many people conducting criminal and immoral activity. With little punishment or recompense for their actions. This shouldn't be the case.

Manilla were suggesting shooting people! Clearly a little harsh but highlights some slight differences in approach.
 

Phil H

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Sounds like both Phils hear those voices lol I never listen to them , much prefer the tried and trusted tea leaves and palm reading method meself
I heard a rumour about people and palms, I think it was something to do with nuts - or was it oil?

I take it you buy your tea only from trusted sources?

PH
 

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I wonder how many people on this thread who are having a real go at Cummings have broken some aspects of the lockdown?

Sure the distances involved in his drive are high and he should not have done it but this culture of the print/online media going for the kill and then using social media warriors to fan the flames is just turning us into a land of righteous unpleasant individuals.
 

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I wonder how many people on this thread who are having a real go at Cummings have broken some aspects of the lockdown?

Sure the distances involved in his drive are high and he should not have done it but this culture of the print/online media going for the kill and then using social media warriors to fan the flames is just turning us into a land of righteous unpleasant individuals.

If piety were a saleable asset, the country would be rich indeed, this morning!

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Who's fault is this:

BBC News - Coronavirus: Resort locals 'shocked and angry' at beach crowds

Are all these people on furlough on the beach when they should be in the fields picking fruit, or infact working for me!
I'm struggling to get contractors to work on my projects because they would rather be on furlough, and those that have come out of furlough to work are just giving grief because they wanted to remain on furlough!
I have to admit that this quarantine **** has to be the worst thought out idea ever. This cannot be advised by science surely. It is a political decision. To what ends I cannot guess.
It was a decision made on the public mood at the time. There was something in The Times about it.
 

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Sure the distances involved in his drive are high and he should not have done it but this culture of the print/online media going for the kill and then using social media warriors to fan the flames is just turning us into a land of righteous unpleasant individuals.

The irony being that for the Vote Leave campaign in 2016, and for some time before that when Mr Gove's spad, Mr Cummings was creating such a land of righteous unpleasant individuals because in chaos one can mould a new form.

The Machiavellian overlord is reaping what he sowed. First rule of spin, do not become the story.

Or, for full on conspiracy theory, Mr Cummings is using this episode to create such outrage as to hide a much greater crime. For someone who wields the dark arts so adeptly, one should consider why he should have allowed this to be handled so clumsily.
 

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It staggers me how many apparently intelligent people let the media dictate what they think and believe. The media just want a story. And they really don’t give a **** about the direct or collateral damage they do in getting one. It is a sad trait of modern humanity that so many seem to like to see successful people destroyed. This trait seems to cut across all areas - politics, music, business, entertainment - we love to support people on the way up, but once they’ve made it, we seem to then love to see them fail.....
 

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The irony being that for the Vote Leave campaign in 2016, and for some time before that when Mr Gove's spad, Mr Cummings was creating such a land of righteous unpleasant individuals because in chaos one can mould a new form.

The Machiavellian overlord is reaping what he sowed. First rule of spin, do not become the story.

Or, for full on conspiracy theory, Mr Cummings is using this episode to create such outrage as to hide a much greater crime. For someone who wields the dark arts so adeptly, one should consider why he should have allowed this to be handled so clumsily.
The thing is everyone has an excuse and lots of people love piling in to kick anyone in the public eye. Most of my friends are doing this on FB and looking at everyone famous they don’t like through a very critical lense that they refuse to apply to themselves. They feel justified for some reason in every case for either their acceptable actions or those deemed unacceptable by public figures.

The world is becoming so critical and unpleasant and the main perpetrators don’t see what they are doing. These are the people on social media who are being primed by Rogue States for future elections as they will be fed a range of narrow focus media to peddle in the mistaken belief that they are being original and thought provoking.
 

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https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/tolerance-across-values-divide

'However Remain voters were more likely than Leave votes to admit they would think less of someone who didn’t agree with them on climate change, same-sex marriage, immigration and Brexit'

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I didn't say the unpleasantness was one side or the other. Create the chaos by getting people to make sanctimonious statements on both sides and let the polarising views that follow thrive. It feels to me as though the country is the most divisive it has been since the 1980s. An unforeseen consequence or a deliberate strategy?
 

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I welcome free speech and journalism but there comes a point that we seem to be at that it is getting ridiculous.

Irresponsible and poorly researched journalism has a lot to answer for.

Should be tougher regulations or heavy fines....it isn't entertainment it is supposed to be journalism. Lazy journalists with no regulation or reprimands seems to allow them to say or do anything all under the banner of free speech.

Social media is the same.....no better or no worse really. I don't really read much news as most of it seems tosh and barely believable. So what is the point?

I trust most journalists now about as much as I trust most politicians.

Didn't some journalists or politicians once go into their fields to make a difference and do something great? Seems many don't really give too boots about that now.
 
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