Are you worried yet.

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Wattie

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It really is pointless trying to have a discussion with you, Iain; I must learn one day to give up.

You very clearly stated (twice) that in your 'expert' opinion making ventilators was pointless as it would take many years to train staff to operate them safely. Now that ventilators are being manufactured, you are desperately backpedalling from your absolute statements, pretending that you were making a general observation about how babies born today would need 30 years to become useful, which is just transparently irrelevant nonsense.

When I asked you, a few days ago, to give a more realistic (expert) opinion on training timetables, and the possibility of a team-based approach to overcome a lack of professional expertise, you ignored my question, and then a couple of days later set out a very similar narrative of team structures as if you were, once again, the expert 'in the know', without the grace to mention the apparent validity of my previous question. When I reminded you of it, you reverted to your normal cover-up strategies: (1) claiming (in increasingly patronising tones) to be a superior expert, (2) cynically invoking 'being in the presence of nurses' as some sort of cloak of nobility, (3) and crassly insulting people who ask questions or disagree with you.

Yes I am argumentative. But if you are incapable of addressing my arguments, and have to just resort to sophistry and insults, then you, sir, are being the spoilt child.
Perhaps he has more pressing and disturbing things to deal with.
Markmas you’re an intelligent, witty, informed and compassionate poster.
If occasionally he vents here, I’m pretty sure you can see your way to understanding why.
You get it.
 

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Perhaps he has more pressing and disturbing things to deal with.
Markmas you’re an intelligent, witty, informed and compassionate poster.
If occasionally he vents here, I’m pretty sure you can see your way to understanding why.
You get it.

Presumably he does have a lot of stress right now, and I'm all for a bit of venting, even intemperate venting. I do get that. But, if you say, " I am a colour expert and black is white." and then later say, "Look I clearly said 'grey is gray', and you are a spoilt argumentative child for disagreeing with me", I'm gonna have to react. I should probably not. but I will.

(and thank you for your kind comment)
 

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There were no insults ....

I guess it depends how you define insults....

The human race wouid literally be at an end if there were more of you.

...people like you are acting like a spoilt argumentative child

.... these office based public servants know what the front line think of them. And have zero idea what real responsibility means. ....

I suggest you just concentrate on self isolation, drinking red wine, driving your tractor and polishing your cars, and let others deal with things.

Quite frankly your thoughts and actions are irrelevant - and I think deep down you know they have always been such.

...Did you consider volunteering to help following Boris’s call or Is that for someone else to do as well?...
 

Wattie

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Lost our first two staff overnight. Unable to confirm if it was via work or community.

Working with PHW to look at options for our service at the field hospital in the stadium... busy weekend again.
R u saying two staff died.
That’s terrible if u r.
 

Scaf

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Lost our first two staff overnight. Unable to confirm if it was via work or community.

Working with PHW to look at options for our service at the field hospital in the stadium... busy weekend again.
When you say “lost” are you say succumbed to the virus or self isolating............
If the former RIP and God Bless them.

Out of 800 key worker staff, I have just over 100 self isolating for one reason or another but thankfully only 1 in hospital with the virus, they are no longer sedated and off the ventilator- fingers crossed for a full recovery.
 

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Lost our first two staff overnight. Unable to confirm if it was via work or community.

Working with PHW to look at options for our service at the field hospital in the stadium... busy weekend again.

I am sorry to hear this. I am grateful for their efforts.

Those who compare this to the deaths from seasonal flu should remember that NHS staff do not usually end up dying from treating and caring for their patients.
 

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Lost our first two staff overnight. Unable to confirm if it was via work or community.

Working with PHW to look at options for our service at the field hospital in the stadium... busy weekend again.

That’s awful, I keep waiting for the announcement at our work. There just seems an inevitability about it.
 

Wattie

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So unable to make an intelligent response to my challenge to his ridiculous suggestion that “we knew about this in December” he turns to insults. Pathetic.

And I suggest you stop wasting your valuable time making pointless post on car forums

What office based public servants? Are you referring to me? Who said I was office based? Another incorrect judgement on your part. You know next to nothing about me and my life and career beyond I like cars (duh) red wine and I have a tractor. Whereas we know a lot about your education and career because you like to feel superior to the rest of us.
Ok, u got 1 out of 2 correct.
He made the wrong assumptions about you and I’m sure in due course will apologise.

On the other hand, he’s an experienced surgeon, trying to protect a team he works with, from a very complicated situation, and he clearly doesn’t lack intelligence.....probably just the time -between trying to save lives.

I know what’s more important, you do too.
 

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I do and I have huge respect for those in the healthcare front line. My brother in law is a 30+ years NHS A&E surgeon at a very large regional hospital. He really is in the front line of this, and I know some of what he and his team are having to cope with in order to save lives
 
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