Are you worried yet.

[rockits]

3 to 6 months maybe further.
Just been announced.

In France?

 

[rockits]

Bit of needed outside time

 

[CatmanV2]

Agree- and sort them out

A clearly un-popular view, but innocent until proven guilty?

C

 

[CatmanV2]

It’s really complicated and multifactorial - the points you make have some validity. I suppose the easiest way to explain it is to use and analogy. Considering 60-70% of patients who need ventilation die anyway - let’s compare to a fighter pilot ace from World War Two. An ace may shoot down 30% incoming enemies, an experienced and brace pilot may shoot down a few. A novice is just using a plane for the sake of looking like he is trying, and someone who can’t fly will just expose himself to risk for no reason. There’s a tricky balance but most anaesthetists maintain- there is likely to be enough ventilators for them to handle but not the staff. Can’t say too much on air - but if you can’t give your pilots a mask each- how are you going to man a shiny new fleet of fighter jets bought from industry..

Is best the enemy of good here? I get the analogy but what's the alternative? Just build enough ventilators that we can put staff on? Focus efforts elsewhere?

C

 

[Phil the Brit]

The thing is I fear he is wasting his time. The population that get it, understand and generally toe the line are in the main doing it. The rest will use the letter as toilet paper.

We have not been hard enough IMHO on crime and people who don't toe the line and try to be valid and useful members of society.

To me this doesn't just include actually criminals but lots guilty or moral crimes. Unscrupulous businesses and executives skirting round tax laws with complex accounts practices. The media with the poor attempts of journalism. Businesses using and abusing staff. The list goes on and on.

Some people need to take a real hard look in the mirror and even then if they can't see what they are doing is not morally correct the state should help them to understand.

We have seen lots of good and lots of bad in people during this period and I'm not sure what is the more common trait. That is a sad thing to say and sorry state of affairs.

People like Mike Ashley?

 

[CatmanV2]

People like Mike Ashley?

'Brass neck'. Quite incredible

C

 

[Phil the Brit]

There was a woman stuck in India on TV just now, wanted the RAF and British Government to send a plane to pick her up because she was stuck there, couldn't get home.
There seem to be a lot of Brits stuck in all parts of the world.
Why are they all bleating now wanting to get the British Government to bring them home (and pick up the bill?).
We all knew 6-7 weeks ago this was going to kick off, take some responsibility for your own actions, you should have got yourselves home WEEKS AGO.
I think our government have got enough on their plates right now, sorry, petal but you should have got your *** home weeks ago.

 

[philw696]

In France?

UK Government Press Conference this afternoon.

 

[Wack61]

;
Are we playing speeding fine top trumps?
I got done doing exactly 100 on the M1 in 1990, fined £235 Serious wedge at the time. I was 19, my weekly wage was £103, the car I was in only cost £800

£103 a week in 1990 , were you working in Bangladesh
I worked for Loake Shoes 1988-1990 , piecework I was earning £300-£330 a week

There was a petrol station outside , petrol was £1.59 a gallon for weeks

 

[Phil H]

People like Mike Ashley?

As someone said earlier, a crisis like this brings out the best in some folk and the worst in others. IMHO if an individual intentionally endangers someone's health, e.g. by spitting or coughing at them, the offender should forfeit their human rights and be named and shamed without delay.

Companies, such as banks, who abandon their moral compass (if they ever had one) and use the crisis to further their own ends should also be penalised, as should those who are putting their staff at risk by failing to observe Covid 19 precautions.

PH

 

[Wack61]

There was a woman stuck in India on TV just now, wanted the RAF and British Government to send a plane to pick her up because she was stuck there, couldn't get home.
There seem to be a lot of Brits stuck in all parts of the world.
Why are they all bleating now wanting to get the British Government to bring them home (and pick up the bill?).
We all knew 6-7 weeks ago this was going to kick off, take some responsibility for your own actions, you should have got yourselves home WEEKS AGO.
I think our government have got enough on their plates right now, sorry, petal but you should have got your *** home weeks ago.

Agreed , I know somebody who's brother is stuck in Peru, this has been going on for 2 months plus now so it's not like it was a surprise , yes they need to get home but £1500 each would make them realise how stupid a decision it was , why should the taxpayer pay

 

[Oneball]

Agreed , I know somebody who's brother is stuck in Peru, this has been going on for 2 months plus now so it's not like it was a surprise , yes they need to get home but £1500 each would make them realise how stupid a decision it was , why should the taxpayer pay

I’ve got friends stuck in Nepal, they’re not banging on about the government not helping. But they can’t get home as there’s no flights.

It’s surprising irrespective of the current situation how many time news reports contain “the F.O. won’t help me”.

 

[Wack61]

Just checked his latest update , £250 each is being suggested by the UK government which seems cheap , Australians are paying £3500 so I've read , private airline though so supply and demand I suppose.

 

[D Walker]

My daughters friend has been travelling for a year. It’s took her 2 weeks to get back, as everywhere she got to, they stopped flights, so, I thinks it’s gone something like, Thailand to Aus, to South Africa then to Heathrow. She hasn’t stamped her feet up and down, got on and did it herself, makes me wonder how stupid/ self entitled people are. I’m stuck here, I’m British and it’s up to you “the government” to get me home... I have a slightly different meaning of FO for them....

 

[Delmonte]

£103 a week in 1990 , were you working in Bangladesh
I worked for Loake Shoes 1988-1990 , piecework I was earning £300-£330 a week

There was a petrol station outside , petrol was £1.59 a gallon for weeks

£103 worked in warehouse, Leeds, it was a **** wage but pretty standard. Had a few jobs with similar wage, wasn't unusual. Got promoted to a clerk in the offices, salary 8.5k seemed decent, but left that to drive forklifts, that was £220 week but 12 hour days, 5 day weeks to get that. Seemed a fortune. I knew no one on 300 a week m8! I guess you must have been down south...

 

[Wanderer]

My first salary in 1979 was £6292, what's that in weeks?

Divide by 10 - 692, add two more roughly, around 525 pm, divide by 4.33 for weekly, around £121 pw, come on!

1979!!

 

[Delmonte]

What pissing me off as well is reporters being sent to stand outside to report ...... Apparently it's essential work.....Is it feck. They can all do what they do from home. Don't need to see them in a street or outside Parliment.

That's f's me off at the best of times. Fuc-ing vox pop. Reporter asks some moron in the, street their inane opinion in one sentence. It's pretty much the reason I can't watch TV news any more

 

[Wanderer]

My first contract in 1994 was £18.84/hr, that's....

£750 a week, where has all this money gone please?

 

[iainw]

Is best the enemy of good here? I get the analogy but what's the alternative? Just build enough ventilators that we can put staff on? Focus efforts elsewhere?

C

Give staff masks and stop them dying

 

[iainw]

A clearly un-popular view, but innocent until proven guilty?

C

Wasn’t the eye witness accounts of the police good enough for you