Are you worried yet.

[philw696]

Yes got the news from my sister in law in Bordeaux it was being extended. Should be in San Sebastian now with them for a lovely weekend.
I recall you both where coming down with symptoms high temps a few days ago, I hope a false alarm.

Still not right Mike and still on Meds but no testing for us.
Ms French can speak to doctors easily enough who say we have most likely got it and stay put.

 

[lifes2short]

Stupid O clock club again , seems I've been elevated to the heirachy , apparently all the fkin sheep are also in lockdown , interesting browsing thank god for the net , just to add to the general melee of confusion ,it's reported that China mobile phone use in the last 4 months has been reduced by up to 21, million users accounts being dormant , part of which the reason could be economic , no work no money no airtime purchasing , various reports videos etc re Wuhan rioting and more confusion regarding reporting of new cases , people who have had it and are getting it again are not being regarded as new cases eeeek , The missus speaks fluent Mandarin due to the fact she worked in Guanzhou for 11 years, has been listening to recordings of conversations with morgue statistics and cremation figures ( morbid I know ) but a pretty good indicator if accurate , all very perturbing at this hour , God bless our front line Angels and let's hope their mental health keeps strong

probably obvious I know but china will not have reported the true mortality rate figures and hiding all the true stats, I reckon the true figures are far far higher than they actually report and possibly mind blowing

 

[MrMickS]

Years of cuts haven't helped.
I was married to a senior staff nurse for 24 years and no not all its cracked up to be but it's the Staff of the NHS that keeps it going Politicians just bleed it dry.
Maybe after all this they will look at it differently.

My thought will be that, as long as they can spin the results in their favour, they’ll praise the NHS and carry on with their plans to run it down and privatise by the back door.

 

[lozcb]

probably obvious I know but china will not have reported the true mortality rate figures and hiding all the true stats, I reckon the true figures are far far higher than they actually report and possibly mind blowing

Some truthfull answers regarding the so called 21,000,000 doormant mobile accounts would be more enlightening , but full truth and disclosure from the Chinese i think not , when the missus worked and lived out there 1994-to 2005, over the 11 years , she had on several occasions high level management leave ( obviously stolen blue print designs etc) start up in direct competition with similar/identical products all funded by the shssss CCCP so everyone has the right to be sceptical for the future of information coming out of china

 

[iainw]

Probably the most depressing thing I've ever read...
Never had any faith in our state, our government, our NHS. That's not changing any time soon

That’s a good paper- thanks for finding it - the lancet has a special section which my team and I are writing an article for. I think that piece is accurate and controlled. Many people would go further. I believe the fall out of this for the NHS and government will be catastrophic, very senior members of the community have never been so emotional and moved to act. If they get together it will be dynamite.

 

[Delmonte]

That’s a good paper- thanks for finding it - the lancet has a special section which my team and I are writing an article for. I think that piece is accurate and controlled. Many people would go further. I believe the fall out of this for the NHS and government will be catastrophic, very senior members of the community have never been so emotional and moved to act. If they get together it will be dynamite.

I’ve always had the feeling that whenever senior doctors complain about the state of the NHS, they’ve been seen by governmen, but also people, that they are: typical public sector, never worked in a commercial environment, will always complain about lack of resources, bourgeois liberals, etc. When we come out the other side of this, hopefully that will change

 

[Phil H]

Chaps just had an update on industry efforts to build much needed respirators. Despite all that we read in the press that Dyson will build 10000 respirators, they will need to be "clinically approved" which could take time to do. Time that we dont have so an industrial consortium has been set up to mass produce respirators to an existing design which is already qualified and can go straight into operation. Here is the extract of the update I recieved yesterday for you all.

From the F1 fraternity:

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www.mercedesamgf1.com

PH

 

[Silvercat]

My thought will be that, as long as they can spin the results in their favour, they’ll praise the NHS and carry on with their plans to run it down and privatise by the back door.

I very much doubt it after this crisis. If anything they will be spending much more on the NHS but we will have to pay for through higher taxes. Money has to come from somewhere.

 

[Oneball]

I very much doubt after this crisis.

Unfortunately I don’t think you’re right. The original idea of the NHS was unaffordable in 1951 within the confines of the British tax system and is unaffordable now. Until the voting public is willing to pay more in tax or have less in other areas nothing will change.

On an equally un-positive note we had no new cases at work Monday to Thursday then a jump on Friday. I don’t know whether incubation period or what can explain that.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Offline: COVID-19 and the NHS—“a national scandal”

“When this is all over, the NHS England board should resign in their entirety.” So wrote one National Health Service (NHS) health worker last weekend. The scale of anger and frustration is unprecedented, and coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is the cause. The UK Government's...

www.thelancet.com

Richard Horton who wrote the article has been particularly scathing on the Government reacting to the coming pandemic and has said so on several occasions recently. After this is over he wants all the chiefs of the medical profession to resign.

 

[mjheathcote]

I very much doubt it after this crisis. If anything they will be spending much more on the NHS but we will have to pay for through higher taxes. Money has to come from somewhere.

Agree, no way for example will there be hospital closures for example.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Yep. 46 doctors dead now in Italy and many nurses. They are better resourced than the UK per capita and 2x number of ITU beds. They aren’t showing the pictures in London at the moment. But they will come out in time I am sure of it. Did you see the nurses in bin bags recently?

Wasn't the bin bag three just an early joke?

 

[zagatoes30]

Pretty short run really

C

It would be a very long run for me, I have a nice 5KM circuit around our house so can get a few laps in on the bike

 

[philw696]

Some people stating that the Nurses are saying thinks are okay.
My first wife in Bristol disagrees as do others.

Nurse terrified about getting coronavirus says NHS staff aren't protected enough

'It's almost as if there are members of the public who are more protected than nurses and doctors that are working on the front line.’

metro.co.uk

 

[iainw]

Wasn't the bin bag three just an early joke?

No it wasn’t. No human should joke about someome family family working to save others wearing bin bags.

 

[lozcb]

From the F1 fraternity:

Page not found

www.mercedesamgf1.com

PH

Aero dynamic ventilators in carbon fibre , with hydraulically assisted lids ...........................lets do it in style

 

[Phil H]

Aero dynamic ventilators in carbon fibre , with hydraulically assisted lids ...........................lets do it in style

Good point Loz, and seeing as F1 cars are heavily dependent on airflow for both aerodynamics and engine performance the mind boggles at the breathing solutions they might invent. Team colours anyone?

In all seriousness though, they are used to delivering well-engineered and high-tech solutions against tight deadlines, so it will be interesting to see the results of their work.

PH

 

[Phil H]

Can this 3D-printed ventilator help Spain?

A team took a week to design an emergency-use ventilator out of 3D-printed parts

www.bbc.co.uk

PH

 

[philw696]

 

[bigbob]

I’ve always had the feeling that whenever senior doctors complain about the state of the NHS, they’ve been seen by governmen, but also people, that they are: typical public sector, never worked in a commercial environment, will always complain about lack of resources, bourgeois liberals, etc. When we come out the other side of this, hopefully that will change

Doctors are underpaid but the NHS as a whole is massively underfunded but always has been and always will be with the current structure. It is actually everyone’s fault though - not the government - as we essentially see it as a free good which influences how we interact with it, what we want from it and how we take from it. We do not spend enough of GDP on health largely because the free model is a failure. We need a mixed economy funding wise like many European countries where tax is used along with insurance products and small amounts of personal payment for access. We need to get away from targets and huge bureaucracy around capital projects with local Trusts having more autonomy but fundamentally the main problem is the method of funding and everything else stems from that failure.