Are you worried yet.

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safrane

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Wonder how many people in China during the lock down are still alive as a result of not travelling to work and not being run over, killed in a car crash or avoided a heart attack etc... more than the numbers who died of this flu?
 
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Wattie

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CatmanV2 said:
....they're completely (at least the ones I read) un-verified.

They typically state opinion as fact, rely on a very small set of (of themselves) un-verified secondary sources and discount any counter points resorting to simple restatement of the original claim.

While it may be early doors in terms of cases outside China, we're still not seeing either a massive infection rate, nor a massive increase in the death rate. While I can quite happily accept that China's government is lying, the very concept of all the other governments and the WHO being willing (let alone capable) of maintaining a consistent false story in what we cheerfully refer to as the free world is simply, to me, not plausible. Occam's razor.

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I’m of the opinion that there are no facts...certainly not trustworthy from China.

I dont expect any verification of articles either as the whole point of governments nowadays is to deny most factual happenings- if it doesn’t suit their purpose.

Did governments confirm 10 years ago that their would be a financial crisis about to happen?
 
CatmanV2

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Ummmm
Wow, but OK, I'll play

so
  1. If there are no facts that are trustworthy, you must, by definition, take it as an article of faith that the non-facts posted on Zerohedge type sources are just that. No facts. If you believe that the UK govt, et al are able to consistently provide false data as a group and over this comparatively extended period, relating to the COVID-19 outbreak , please go ahead.
  2. OK, so what is the purpose of the government denying the purported real death rate from COVID-19 in the UK? You will need to first demonstrate that the death rate is different from what the government are stating
  3. Demonstrate with independently verified sources that the government knew that there would be a financial crisis about to happen ten years ago

You have three hours. Bonus marks will be awarded for showing your working :)

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Zep

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Wattie said:
That’s your opinion Zep.
Panic is not sharing extreme articles. They’re only extreme because you don’t believe them.
Im of the opinion they have more credibility and substance than you do.
I’m exercising my right to share information and people can choose to read it or not as an alternative news source.
No-one has disproved anything I’ve posted.
It’s just been denied and there’s a massive difference.

Close to 800,000,000 locked down now because of 2000 deaths. Personally I think that’s bs.

Quite interesting, how we’re all different.
Some would sit up on deck listening to the brass band playing.
Others would join the queue and take their place for a life boat.
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It is, you can tell because I wrote it.

As has been pointed out, it’s impossible to disprove a negative.

None of what you have said has been moderated or removed, you exercise you right to post this stuff which is absolutely fine. I am happy to continue to do the same.

There are a number of issues with your Titanic analogy. It’s very much debatable as to whether the ship has actually sailed, if it will hit an iceberg of significant size when it does and most importantly, if a lifeboat will be of any use at all if it does sail and it does hit a big iceberg.

If you want to sit in the lifeboat asking everyone else why they aren’t while all of this is worked out, crack on!
 
Wattie

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CatmanV2 said:
Ummmm
Wow, but OK, I'll play

so
  1. If there are no facts that are trustworthy, you must, by definition, take it as an article of faith that the non-facts posted on Zerohedge type sources are just that. No facts. If you believe that the UK govt, et al are able to consistently provide false data as a group and over this comparatively extended period, relating to the COVID-19 outbreak , please go ahead.
  2. OK, so what is the purpose of the government denying the purported real death rate from COVID-19 in the UK? You will need to first demonstrate that the death rate is different from what the government are stating
  3. Demonstrate with independently verified sources that the government knew that there would be a financial crisis about to happen ten years ago
You have three hours. Bonus marks will be awarded for showing your working :)

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1 The extent of lockdown 800,000,000 proves this is not normal. That fact is undeniable and is a measure of how severe the threat is, when did China last lock down 800,000,000 people?

2 to prevent panic whilst buying time to search for a cure.
You already answered this yourself https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/are-you-worried-yet.30503/post-744700

3 ok, they didn’t know, let’s give them the benefit of doubt then. ......mmmmn they probably don’t know what’s going on With Coronavirsus either then.
 
CatmanV2

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Wattie said:
1 The extent of lockdown 800,000,000 proves this is not normal. That fact is undeniable and is a measure of how severe the threat is, when did China last lock down 800,000,000 people?

2 to prevent panic whilst buying time to search for a cure.
You already answered this yourself https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/are-you-worried-yet.30503/post-744700

3 ok, they didn’t know, let’s give them the benefit of doubt then. ......mmmmn they probably don’t know what’s going on With Coronavirsus either then.
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  1. is exactly your bias. There are 'no facts' but this one must be undeniable because it's a pillar on which you create your belief. I note you've not actually commented on how or why the rest of the data can be created and consistently sustained, nor provided any actual data that it's wrong.
  2. Sorry, I have no idea what you think I meant there. All I was doing was posting what the average death rate was. You seem to have taken something else from it. No matter, you can't say they are preventing panic while searching for a cure unless you can demonstrate that the death rate is wrong and the situation is worse than being reported. Well you can say it, but....
  3. Quite possibly. Which doesn't really tie with them being able to consistently present a false narrative globally. IMHO YMMV
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Wattie

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CatmanV2 said:
  1. is exactly your bias. There are 'no facts' but this one must be undeniable because it's a pillar on which you create your belief. I note you've not actually commented on how or why the rest of the data can be created and consistently sustained, nor provided any actual data that it's wrong.
  2. Sorry, I have no idea what you think I meant there. All I was doing was posting what the average death rate was. You seem to have taken something else from it. No matter, you can't say they are preventing panic while searching for a cure unless you can demonstrate that the death rate is wrong and the situation is worse than being reported. Well you can say it, but....
  3. Quite possibly. Which doesn't really tie with them being able to consistently present a false narrative globally. IMHO YMMV
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1 I’m taking the figures reported.
2 an increase of a couple of hundred caused 1 above?
3 China was manipulating the data and of course it does.
They can do whatever they want......until the shtf.

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No worries C, respect your alternative viewpoint, your bet is still looking good whilst I am cashing in on it all.
Win, win. ;)
Cheers.
 
Felonious Crud

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CatmanV2 said:
Whichever is more appropriate ;) Were you planning to trim Occam's bush?

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I know little of such clerical matters, but might assume a modest trim would be the least required to bring about a 21st Century level of smoothness.

How times change.
 
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