Are you worried yet.

[doodlebug]

Agree with you. It’s impossible to believe until it’s seen first hand or it touches someone close to you. For me- when eddie large succumbed- it really hit home....
Seriously though - with the realisation that no one is safe regardless of age, and the numbers are increasing day by day- everyone will believe it in the next 3-4 weeks.

RIP Eddie

 

[doodlebug]

I was being sarcastic (again). I really must stop doing that.

We have been informed by a"frontline surgeon/ key NHS employee and well informed member of this forum" (who tells us that he has been to Cambridge and has friends amongst the elite), that it "takes over 30 years to produce the staff" to operate a ventilator. So clearly, manufacturing, testing and delivering the ventilators will be useless, as they will be both too late and obsolete when the come into service in around 2050. We should just accept this truth that has been graciously bestowed upon us. Presumably, ordering them was just more Tory incompetence or a smokescreen, or maybe just an outright lie.

Those of us who lack this superior expertise have been clearly told that our "thoughts and actions are irrelevant", so I think we should all just shut up, and read and accept what our betters have to tell us.

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It usually takes over 5 years to develop a new ventilator but it hasn't stopped me and my colleagues from doing our best to produce something in 5 weeks. It maybe all in vain, but at least we are trying which is more than most armchair critiques are doing. Catch 22, if there are no staff to operate the ventilators, wtf is the point of making more ventilators.

 

[iainw]

It usually takes over 5 years to develop a new ventilator but it hasn't stopped me and my colleagues from doing our best to produce something in 5 weeks. It maybe all in vain, but at least we are trying which is more than most armchair critiques are doing. Catch 22, if there are no staff to operate the ventilators, wtf is the point of making more ventilators.

It won’t be in vain - there are many levels of ventilator- from essentially simple bag and mask augmentation to CPAP Machines to full ventilators. It seems the planning is evolving significantly depending on the number available and number of staff available to man them. They are developing novel teams - which essentially will mean that one senior doctor will be responsible for multiple ventilated patients with a team of individuals with differing skill levels to support. It’s a system that hasn’t really ever been used before in the UK- but potential wartime conditions mean it will have to be. As you say 20% is better than no chance- but it would be logical to surmise that with less trained staff time per machine and per patient that this number will diminish. Thanks for your efforts- the engineers and other individuals behind the efforts have been amazing. There are definitely several sections of society standing out- it’s bringing out the best and worst in people.

 

[doodlebug]

It won’t be in vain - there are many levels of ventilator- from essentially simple bag and mask augmentation to CPAP Machines to full ventilators. It seems the planning is evolving significantly depending on the number available and number of staff available to man them. They are developing novel teams - which essentially will mean that one senior doctor will be responsible for multiple ventilated patients with a team of individuals with differing skill levels to support. It’s a system that hasn’t really ever been used before in the UK- but potential wartime conditions mean it will have to be. As you say 20% is better than no chance- but it would be logical to surmise that with less trained staff time per machine and per patient that this number will diminish. Thanks for your efforts- the engineers and other individuals behind the efforts have been amazing. There are definitely several sections of society standing out- it’s bringing out the best and worst in people.

Thanks, it seems as if everyone is against us with the constant negativity but everyone I know who is working with me on this only want a good outcome and are not doing it for financial gain.

 

[MarkMas]

.... They are developing novel teams - which essentially will mean that one senior doctor will be responsible for multiple ventilated patients with a team of individuals with differing skill levels to support. It’s a system that hasn’t really ever been used before in the UK- but potential wartime conditions mean it will have to be........

So something like this, then:

......Also, is the level of expert supervision significant? (So would it, in a time of crisis, maybe be better to have 1 expert, 10 trainees and 20 ventilators than 1 expert and 5 ventilators?)
.......

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/are-you-worried-yet.30503/page-179#post-759688

 

[iainw]

I was being sarcastic (again). I really must stop doing that.

We have been informed by a"frontline surgeon/ key NHS employee and well informed member of this forum" (who tells us that he has been to Cambridge and has friends amongst the elite), that it "takes over 30 years to produce the staff" to operate a ventilator. So clearly, manufacturing, testing and delivering the ventilators will be useless, as they will be both too late and obsolete when the come into service in around 2050. We should just accept this truth that has been graciously bestowed upon us. Presumably, ordering them was just more Tory incompetence or a smokescreen, or maybe just an outright lie.

Those of us who lack this superior expertise have been clearly told that our "thoughts and actions are irrelevant", so I think we should all just shut up, and read and accept what our betters have to tell us.

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For anyone that didn’t realise (I am sure that won’t be many) the 30 years meant that it would take 30 years for another staff member to be born and have long enough to get to a stage where he/she was trainable.

So something like this, then:

https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/are-you-worried-yet.30503/page-179#post-759688

So funny what you pick out. It’s a little bit more complicated than that. There will be no ‘trainees’ many of the team will be totally untrained individuals helping to make up essential drugs and fetch and carry for the supply line. There isn’t enough resources to even spare trainees in some scenarios. The human race wouid literally be at an end if there were more of you. It disgusts me to have spent time with people like the nurses I have done today in tears facing things most grown men would run from - and people like you are acting like a spoilt argumentative child.

 

[Rwc13]

I suggest you just concentrate on self isolation, drinking red wine, driving your tractor and polishing your cars, and let others deal with things. Quite frankly your thoughts and actions are irrelevant - and I think deep down you know they have always been such.

So unable to make an intelligent response to my challenge to his ridiculous suggestion that “we knew about this in December” he turns to insults. Pathetic.

And I suggest you stop wasting your valuable time making pointless post on car forums

 

[iainw]

So unable to make an intelligent response to my challenge to his ridiculous suggestion that “we knew about this in December” he turns to insults. Pathetic.

And I suggest you stop wasting your valuable time making pointless post on car forums

There were no insults, just making an intelligent response and giving my opinions based on the evidence.
I have to say I agree with you re: this forum. I am sure there are individuals who agree with me but just stay silent. Especially those who this current situation has touched in some way. Those who reply seem to be in the main just wanting to be belligerent and give opinions for the sake of it. Don’t worry my day to day is full of meaningful contributions- I only post on here as I actually care what people think about this situation - and welcome informed discussion.

 

[Scaf]

Last night when my family were clapping for our amazing NHS, we were also clapping for all the other special people and unsung heros including our great engineers and manufacturers, carers and Funeral Directors, neighbours and community groups etc who are all doing amazing things to help us through this pandemic.

 

[Rwc13]

its laughable wattie, I don’t take it seriously - these office based public servants know what the front line think of them. And have zero idea what real responsibility means. What’s happening at the moment is phenomonenal.

What office based public servants? Are you referring to me? Who said I was office based? Another incorrect judgement on your part. You know next to nothing about me and my life and career beyond I like cars (duh) red wine and I have a tractor. Whereas we know a lot about your education and career because you like to feel superior to the rest of us.

 

[Scaf]

It usually takes over 5 years to develop a new ventilator but it hasn't stopped me and my colleagues from doing our best to produce something in 5 weeks. It maybe all in vain, but at least we are trying which is more than most armchair critiques are doing. Catch 22, if there are no staff to operate the ventilators, wtf is the point of making more ventilators.

What you and your team and other teams around this great country of ours are doing is truly amazing I hear of similar examples large and small and it gives me hope that whatever the outcome of the current situation communities might at least have become stronger. We should all be proud, I am.

 

[philw696]

Just read on my old home town that one of the schools in Weston super Mare is making 50 face masks a day for the NHS

 

[Rwc13]

What you and your team and other teams around this great country of ours are doing is truly amazing I hear of similar examples large and small and it gives me hope that whatever the outcome of the current situation communities might at least have become stronger. We should all be proud, I am.

I agree and I hope the world will come to see that the efforts of so many people, frontline and non-frontline, all contributed hugely to saving many many lives

 

[philw696]

Just need the Government to start telling the Truth.

 

[lozcb]

I agree and I hope the world will come to see that the efforts of so many people, frontline and non-frontline, all contributed hugely to saving many many lives

To be honest ive done Sweet F A ...........and i mean real unadulterated proper sweet F A not from choice mind , do i content myself ive done my bit by staying in and clapping my hands sore and breaking a saucepan ......not really , but in my heart i hold real Kudos for those that are front line , from the bottom to the top , i praise them all ..............regardless whether we come out scathed or unscathed

 

[philw696]

This is the kind of behaviour that causes far worse situations

US buys out France-bound Chinese masks right off tarmac

With stockpiles waning amid COVID-19 outbreak, US pays a Chinese firm in cash for face masks en route to France - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[philw696]

Just been reading that the NZ Health Minister has been caught out during the lockdown out on his Mountain Bike in a Park and had to apologize to the PM.
How do they expect everyone else to obey when they can't do it themselves.
Blóódy Politicians.

 

[lozcb]

Agreed Phil , but didnt i recall a few days back that France blocked pre ordered shipments of ppe to the UK , and reserved them for themselves , i little bit kettle and black springs to mind , i also hear Germany did the same , and we havent left the EU in its entirety yet , and still paying for this 12 months up until the 31st ...............................rest my case m'Lord and all that , though i cant deny France has one of the best sets of rural driving roads in the whole of Europe lol

 

[philw696]

Agreed Phil , but didnt i recall a few days back that France blocked pre ordered shipments of ppe to the UK , and reserved them for themselves , i little bit kettle and black springs to mind , i also hear Germany did the same , and we havent left the EU in its entirety yet , and still paying for this 12 months up until the 31st ...............................rest my case m'Lord and all that , though i cant deny France has one of the best sets of rural driving roads in the whole of Europe lol

If we believe the Daily Mail Loz.
Totally agree with the roads here and the scenery ain't bad too

 

[Silvercat]

I was being sarcastic (again). I really must stop doing that.

We have been informed by a"frontline surgeon/ key NHS employee and well informed member of this forum" (who tells us that he has been to Cambridge and has friends amongst the elite), that it "takes over 30 years to produce the staff" to operate a ventilator. So clearly, manufacturing, testing and delivering the ventilators will be useless, as they will be both too late and obsolete when the come into service in around 2050. We should just accept this truth that has been graciously bestowed upon us. Presumably, ordering them was just more Tory incompetence or a smokescreen, or maybe just an outright lie.

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All the best to you to....