Anyone had the jab yet?

[Delmonte]

It's not going to change until government addresses the elephant in the room , we all know why cases in the north west are rising

I don't. Pray tell?

 

[Wack61]

Ethnic minorities not wearing masks and refusing the vaccine, but you knew that

I've been on three trains in the last 3 weeks in the north west, from Blackburn, from Preston and to sheffield most busy , just walking down the carriages looking for an empty seat it's easy to see who's not wearing masks and generally it's not white British , posters all over the train warning of £3000+ fines but until people actually start getting fined it just gets ignored.

It won't go away in the north west until people start getting fined and it goes public

Covid-19 vaccine hesitancy among ethnic minority groups

Tackling the reasons for hesitancy requires engagement, understanding, and trust With mass covid-19 vaccination efforts under way in many countries, including the UK, we need to understand and redress the disparities in its uptake. Data to 14 February 2021 show that over 90% of adults in...

www.bmj.com

 

[Wattie]

Yes it all makes perfect sense as Roger Waters said… don’t take the second jab because you’re against restrictions ‍‍

In the Netherlands nearly all restrictions will go, which is a function of a large proportion of the population having had the jab(s) AND cases down dramatically as well as hospitals nearly empty.

in the UK numbers NOT dramatically down (yet)….so you’ll just have to be patient to not become a patient. Getting the jab(s) helps that.

Well the latest death for figures don’t back that sentiment up.
“from 1 February to 14 June there have been 73 deaths with the Delta variant, 34 of which were among unvaccinated individuals, 11 of which were among those who had received one dose of a Covid vaccine and 26 of which occurred in people who had received both doses of a Covid jab”

u do the math.

 

[Zep]

Well the latest death for figures don’t back that sentiment up.
“from 1 February to 14 June there have been 73 deaths with the Delta variant, 34 of which were among unvaccinated individuals, 11 of which were among those who had received one dose of a Covid vaccine and 26 of which occurred in people who had received both doses of a Covid jab”

u do the math.

There are so many issues with making a judgement on the data you are using.

The sample size is not known, a different number of infections in each category is more than likely, and so makes your conclusions moot.

The data is not age corrected. As you say yourself, age is a big factor, were more of the deaths for vaccinated people in an older age range?

You are, in my opinion, drawing conclusions from incomplete data sets.

I am sure that if this thread goes the same way as the last one, it will also go missing.

I suggest everyone respects everyone else’s point of view, rather than rerunning every argument again.

 

[Wattie]

There are so many issues with making a judgement on the data you are using.

The sample size is not known, a different number of infections in each category is more than likely, and so makes your conclusions moot.

The data is not age corrected. As you say yourself, age is a big factor, were more of the deaths for vaccinated people in an older age range?

You are, in my opinion, drawing conclusions from incomplete data sets.

I am sure that if this thread goes the same way as the last one, it will also go missing.

I suggest everyone respects everyone else’s point of view, rather than rerunning every argument again.

That’s fine.
Trouble is Zep I’m copying this from mainstream.
Hardly biased in my direction then.

Cases of Covid Delta variant in UK rise over 75,000 – PHE data

Figures show Delta is more transmissible and more resistant to vaccine than Alpha

www.google.com.au

Age?
You gotta be kidding me!
Since when did that matter.....,..unless you’re over 60.
So at what point do you question what’s going on?
I post the stuff u all read but when it doesn’t suit u question it.

wake up.

 

[Delmonte]

Ethnic minorities not wearing masks and refusing the vaccine, but you knew that

I've been on three trains in the last 3 weeks in the north west, from Blackburn, from Preston and to sheffield most busy , just walking down the carriages looking for an empty seat it's easy to see who's not wearing masks and generally it's not white British , posters all over the train warning of £3000+ fines but until people actually start getting fined it just gets ignored.

It won't go away in the north west until people start getting fined and it goes public

Covid-19 vaccine hesitancy among ethnic minority groups

Tackling the reasons for hesitancy requires engagement, understanding, and trust With mass covid-19 vaccination efforts under way in many countries, including the UK, we need to understand and redress the disparities in its uptake. Data to 14 February 2021 show that over 90% of adults in...

www.bmj.com

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As a train driver in the North who witnesses the situation every day, I can advise you are talking prejudicial, unhelpful ****. Sorry

 

[Zep]

That’s fine.
Trouble is Zep I’m copying this from mainstream.
Hardly biased in my direction then.

Cases of Covid Delta variant in UK rise over 75,000 – PHE data

Figures show Delta is more transmissible and more resistant to vaccine than Alpha

www.google.com.au

Age?
You gotta be kidding me!
Since when did that matter.....,..unless you’re over 60.
So at what point do you question what’s going on?
I post the stuff u all read but when it doesn’t suit u question it.

wake up.

I do my own research, thank you. I can also assure you that I am wide awake.

You gave your view and I have given mine, if you are happy with your conclusions, that is entirely your choice.

 

[Wack61]

As a train driver in the North who witnesses the situation every day, I can advise you are talking prejudicial, unhelpful ****. Sorry

Don't be sorry , we're all entitled to our view , what situation are you witnessing ?


They skirt round it on the news by calling it houses of multiple occupation in the north west but we all know who they're talking about.

No point in having posters everywhere warning about fines if nobody is enforcing it

I was talking to a guy who's just come back from Lanzarote , masks required everywhere , even outside , €300 on the spot fine for not wearing one

On the beach you're masked until you're sat down then it has to be on your arm so they can see you've got one

 

[Wattie]

I do my own research, thank you. I can also assure you that I am wide awake.

You gave your view and I have given mine, if you are happy with your conclusions, that is entirely your choice.

Respect your opinion Zep.
You’re a top bloke and do a very good job around here with others
You’re wrong on this.

 

[Wattie]

Don't be sorry , we're all entitled to our view , what situation are you witnessing ?


They skirt round it on the news by calling it houses of multiple occupation in the north west but we all know who they're talking about.

No point in having posters everywhere warning about fines if nobody is enforcing it

I was talking to a guy who's just come back from Lanzarote , masks required everywhere , even outside , €300 on the spot fine for not wearing one

On the beach you're masked until you're sat down then it has to be on your arm so they can see you've got one

Am I the only one that finds this funny?

 

[Wack61]

As a train driver in the North who witnesses the situation every day, I can advise you are talking prejudicial, unhelpful ****. Sorry

An example
Blackburn & Darwen population

CV19 cases


Cheshire west & Chester

Cases


So Cheshire west and Chester has similar case numbers to Blackburn & Darwen with over double the population

 

[Wack61]

Am I the only one that finds this funny?

How so.

 

[Wattie]

How so.

Well masked until it’s on your elbow for a start.....

 

[Sam McGoo]

Ima

On the beach you're masked until you're sat down then it has to be on your arm so they can see you've got one

Imagine those tan lines!

 

[Wattie]

As a train driver in the North who witnesses the situation every day, I can advise you are talking prejudicial, unhelpful ****. Sorry

Don’t be sorry.
Its bul1shit.
Wearing an ill fitting non n95 mask is like practicing birth control with a condom peppered by Gerwyn Price.
Science.....

 

[Wack61]

Well masked until it’s on your elbow for a start.....

Yeah I thought that , perhaps they can fine you at night if you've not got a white mask shaped patch on your arm

 

[Swedish Paul]

Am I the only one that finds this funny?

You need a thread of your own so you can stop hijacking every other thread. You could start an argument in an empty room. It’s a talent I admire.

 

[Wattie]

You need a thread of your own so you can stop hijacking every other thread. You could start an argument in an empty room. It’s a talent I admire.

Well someone has to stand up against the “we’re all going to die nonsense”.
I don’t think I’ve wandered off thread?

I’m off to bed, enjoy your Saturday.

 

[Swedish Paul]

Well someone has to stand up against the “we’re all going to die nonsense”.
I don’t think I’ve wandered off thread?

I’m off to bed, enjoy your Saturday.

Nope. You’ve just transferred from a closed thread to other threads.

Enjoy your sleep.

 

[conaero]

Due to friction between members it has been decided that this thread will now be closed.