Another Brexit pain the 4rse fiasco

Vince2

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Nothing to disagree with there, chap. And TBF I wouldn't trust a doctor as a reporter just because he's a doctor. The halo effect is writ large. But I think it would be nice to have someone with a pretty good degree of scientific education to report on scientific matters at that high a level.

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Constantly amazes me that jobs like ‘minister for health’ can ever be awarded to anyone who wasn’t once a doctor or ’minister for sport’ isn’t an ex successful athlete. What on earth gives a politician with no relevant experience the right to take on the most important role in the country?
 

safrane

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Constantly amazes me that jobs like ‘minister for health’ can ever be awarded to anyone who wasn’t once a doctor or ’minister for sport’ isn’t an ex successful athlete. What on earth gives a politician with no relevant experience the right to take on the most important role in the country?
Because the Minister had a team of at least 20 Special Advisers who tell them what to say. My dept had 6 in less than three years... it was always fun trying to educate them away from their frequently poor grasp of the "subject' and what they could do legally.

If you want to know what politics is really like, watch Yes Minister.
 

CatmanV2

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Constantly amazes me that jobs like ‘minister for health’ can ever be awarded to anyone who wasn’t once a doctor or ’minister for sport’ isn’t an ex successful athlete. What on earth gives a politician with no relevant experience the right to take on the most important role in the country?

Yeah, I think that's a little different. High level leadership benefits from experience but it's not always a pre-requisite. As a corollary how could an olympic weightlifter ever be able to talk to the challenges of a sprinter. Not the best example I could come up with ;)

Clearer, maybe, I've never been a developer but am perfectly able to lead large teams of devs because the leadership is not actually about the code. It's about people.

None of which is to suggest that the MOH is actually a good leader ;)

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philw696

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Ain't been good for a English Mechanic who was contracting to Toyota through an English company worked all over Europe flat out until 31/12/19.
Nowt now.
 

Zep

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"Experts have highlighted increased red tape, additional costs and lack of supporting literature to ease confusion around new rules that have come into force as part of the UK's divorce from the EU. "

Now if the author had then done a quick google on the phrase ATA Carnet then they would have brought up the freely downloadable literature that is available explaining the process

Yes, the ATA Carnet has been in force for decades, the crux of the article is that while the U.K. was part of the EU is wasn’t required for goods being temporarily imported from the U.K. into the EU and now it is.

This does increase the burden on business, just as the increased paperwork does for normal import / export.

It is what it is, we have left the EU and it will be different from now on, but to say there is no impact, or to discard the real impact on business because they misspoke about the Carnet is also manipulating things, just in the other direction.

As always, time will tell whether these things will make a meaningful change to the economy and it’s too early to judge.
 

doodlebug

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I'd guess a 9-year laptop won't raise too many eyebrows. If it was a boxed 2021 model, maybe a different story.

I've bought plenty of stuff in Asia and the US before and never had any bother getting it back to the UK. Just carried it.
I did have a bit of bother.

I was in transit in LA on a flight back to Blighty from NZ with my missus and daughter. I was carrying a Playstation 2 that I had bought in NZ. The US border chappies asked, ever so politely as they are wont to do, why the feck I didn't buy it from the US because it would have been cheaper.

Knowing at the time how easy it was to confuse US immigration, I bit my tongue by not going into too much detail about exchange rates, duty etc. I really didn't have the patience to explain the principles of simple arithmetic to them as I was about to miss my flight.

My recalcitrance seemed to annoy them a touch so the c-units took me away for questioning which made me miss my flight. I will never forget the look on my wife's and my daughter's faces when they took me into the interview room.

In fairness US Immigration did put me up in a particularly lovely LA hotel room that night along with another 10 detained chaps. I did manage to get a bit of sleep in spite the thought of being bummed by the aforementioned. The rather fetching tones of the local working girls plying for trade in the hallway still keep me awake at night. ;).

The new day made everything seem better. The US authorities made the flight rather special by giving me a specially fitted pair of silver bracelets which they insisted I keep on until the plane took off.

I'm often asked why I don't feel like going back to the US any time soon....
 

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Yes, the ATA Carnet has been in force for decades, the crux of the article is that while the U.K. was part of the EU is wasn’t required for goods being temporarily imported from the U.K. into the EU and now it is.

This does increase the burden on business, just as the increased paperwork does for normal import / export.

It is what it is, we have left the EU and it will be different from now on, but to say there is no impact, or to discard the real impact on business because they misspoke about the Carnet is also manipulating things, just in the other direction.

As always, time will tell whether these things will make a meaningful change to the economy and it’s too early to judge.

I didnt say that there was no impact on business.

I am just highlighting that the author didnt even do any basic research before writing a skewed innacurate article.

The claims that the information on ATA carnets had not been available. When said information has been available since the 60's is my main point. Im also surprised that the named "expert" did not mention any alternative methods.

If an article tried to say there is no red tape or no change to UK to EU shipments procedures or skewed the facts the other way i would highlight that as well.

All im saying is that if your going to write on a given subject make it a balanced article explain the changes and draw a conclussion where appropriate based on actual facts. The good the bad and the ugly as long as its factual.
 

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What is telling is this is another anti-Brexit story brought to you by one of the Brexit-spewing papers, albeit not the most ardent fan of Boris.

So why is that? What's the agenda?
 
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I did have a bit of bother.

I was in transit in LA on a flight back to Blighty from NZ with my missus and daughter. I was carrying a Playstation 2 that I had bought in NZ. The US border chappies asked, ever so politely as they are wont to do, why the feck I didn't buy it from the US because it would have been cheaper.

Knowing at the time how easy it was to confuse US immigration, I bit my tongue by not going into too much detail about exchange rates, duty etc. I really didn't have the patience to explain the principles of simple arithmetic to them as I was about to miss my flight.

My recalcitrance seemed to annoy them a touch so the c-units took me away for questioning which made me miss my flight. I will never forget the look on my wife's and my daughter's faces when they took me into the interview room.

In fairness US Immigration did put me up in a particularly lovely LA hotel room that night along with another 10 detained chaps. I did manage to get a bit of sleep in spite the thought of being bummed by the aforementioned. The rather fetching tones of the local working girls plying for trade in the hallway still keep me awake at night. ;).

The new day made everything seem better. The US authorities made the flight rather special by giving me a specially fitted pair of silver bracelets which they insisted I keep on until the plane took off.

I'm often asked why I don't feel like going back to the US any time soon....

Bloody h3ll!
 

Corranga

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No surprise that the article is somewhat misleading.

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I do wish the journalists writing some of these articles would do their homework and understand the subject they are writing about.

The journalists are just doing what they are paid for, it's those that keep buying the paper / clicking through to the website, and therefore funding these rags like the Daily Mail that print click bait **** deliberately designed to boost support of their politics and to rile up those who are unlikely to actually research the basis of the story.
 
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I did have a bit of bother.

I was in transit in LA on a flight back to Blighty from NZ with my missus and daughter. I was carrying a Playstation 2 that I had bought in NZ. The US border chappies asked, ever so politely as they are wont to do, why the feck I didn't buy it from the US because it would have been cheaper.

Knowing at the time how easy it was to confuse US immigration, I bit my tongue by not going into too much detail about exchange rates, duty etc. I really didn't have the patience to explain the principles of simple arithmetic to them as I was about to miss my flight.

My recalcitrance seemed to annoy them a touch so the c-units took me away for questioning which made me miss my flight. I will never forget the look on my wife's and my daughter's faces when they took me into the interview room.

In fairness US Immigration did put me up in a particularly lovely LA hotel room that night along with another 10 detained chaps. I did manage to get a bit of sleep in spite the thought of being bummed by the aforementioned. The rather fetching tones of the local working girls plying for trade in the hallway still keep me awake at night. ;).

The new day made everything seem better. The US authorities made the flight rather special by giving me a specially fitted pair of silver bracelets which they insisted I keep on until the plane took off.

I'm often asked why I don't feel like going back to the US any time soon....
You're a dark horse!
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RoaryRati

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I wasn't clever enough to report on some technical stuff if I didn't understand it - and on questioning those who dished out the info to get a better grasp it was clear they didn't understand it either. In the end we would get there and I was valued by the readers for my reporting.