Americans and Guns

mjheathcote

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Well the civilised world has banned guns and we have crooks too but they don't go round massacring innocent people, students or children.
That argument doesn't stack up.

Not all guns of course, plenty enjoy shooting whether clay pigeon/target shooting, or field sports/pest control etc.
Problem with America is all the handguns and high power auto/semi auto military assault rifles. Even if they restricted/banned certain types there is simply so many unrecorded in circulation, and the nutters would simply keep them under the floorboards ect.
 
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I'm listening to all of you, and frequently nod my head in agreement with many of the points being made. I'm getting a bit deep and philosophical, but many of our cultural issues originate in the home - or mainly the lack thereof. Things are too easy to come by in this country for some people, and those people are spoiled. Others see this and feel like the world owes them something too - they often want something for nothing, etc. We tend to cast blame on everything for our troubles and avoid the real root cause - which most people don't want to accept. I know this country is a mess, but yet I feel very fortunate to live here. I'm always amazed at the diversity in America, but appalled by the continued inequality and strife. Sorry to get off on a tangent....
 

outrun

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Yup, bang on, i've shared this with friends in the States over the past couple of years. Interesting that he did this stand up in Boston and not in the Bible Belt!

There is a fundamental superiority complex driven into Americans that feeds things like gun culture that is very difficult to change. We saw a similar thing manifest itself here with Brexit and UKIP etc. I wonder that it takes a massive event such as a war for people to really wake up.

There's always two sides and the right to defend yourself and your family as well as to use guns as a sport is not really a big deal, it's the ridiculous access that inevitably leads the 0.01% of mentally unhinged to be able to get these things easily that's the real problem. Odd that the Americans have such over the top controls on alcohol and tobacco but not on guns.

I once drove into a petrol station in Las Vegas in a Ferrari 355 cabrio and was then asked for ID for a packet of Marlboro.

12 for a guns (really, in some states)
16 to drive
18 for tobabcco
21 for beer.

Em. let's reverse those Americans and see what happens...
 
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We used to live in the northern part of the USA, but we moved south a few years ago. The cultures between north and south are quite different, and there are still hard feelings from the civil war....believe it or not. One thing that is popular in the south is fireworks...I've never understood the fascination. Anyways...we were driving through Tennessee and just crossing into Alabama. At the state line, there was a fireworks store lit up like a Las Vegas casino. This place not only sold fireworks, but also guns, alcohol, gasoline, and adult accessories....what a mixture for disaster!
 

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Well the civilised world has banned guns and we have crooks too but they don't go round massacring innocent people, students or children.
That argument doesn't stack up.
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Wattie

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“We saw a similar thing manifest itself here with Brexit and UKIP etc”

How on Earth you can compare the two beats me. Are you suggesting that people that voted for Brexit are of a “similar” ilk?

Voting in a democratic referendum is a right if you’re on the roll. And we were all invited to do it. Expressing an opinion and a preferred outcome in a vote is not extreme at all......is it?
 
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conaero

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This is a thread that I may pull.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the failings and I don’t feel it correct for us Brits to sit here pointing out the obvious with our American members getting ****** at us at this very sensitive time.

The Americans need to sort it out for themselves without outsider interference.

There will come an event that makes something actually happen but unfortunately I don’t think this is it and it will take a far worse event.

Tread carefully people this is a time we should support our American friends and not add to their burden.
 
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midlifecrisis

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The fact is, time and time again, this is happening. Yes we feel sorry for the victims and their families and friends but the answer is bl€€ding obvious.
 

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I certainly appreciate all inputs on this sensitive subject, and also can understand CONAERO's point of view on considering closing down this thread. I for one am not at all offended by you good folks in the mother country posting your views. I hope our government officials can move forward on this, and make decisions based on facts and evidence...and keep politics out of it. The media is all abuzz about...stay tuned.
 

2b1ask1

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I certainly appreciate all inputs on this sensitive subject, and also can understand CONAERO's point of view on considering closing down this thread. I for one am not at all offended by you good folks in the mother country posting your views. I hope our government officials can move forward on this, and make decisions based on facts and evidence...and keep politics out of it. The media is all abuzz about...stay tuned.


Cheers for the feedback, we mostly try not to offend on here! I will however eat a hat full of steaming horse cr@p if guns are ever legislated against in the US of A...
 

Contigo

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This is a thread that I may pull.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the failings and I don’t feel it correct for us Brits to sit here pointing out the obvious with our American members getting ** at us at this very sensitive time.

The Americans need to sort it out for themselves without outsider interference.

There will come an event that makes something actually happen but unfortunately I don’t think this is it and it will take a far worse event.

Tread carefully people this is a time we should support our American friends and not add to their burden.
Why? Leave it... I see reasoned debate and no animosity...
 

Contigo

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One of the common sayings is...."guns don't kill people - people kill people". This is ultimately true. However....there is no way that laws and procedures can detect and/or screen out all of the nut cases who may purchase a gun. Also....at the time of a gun purchase, maybe the individual is mentally responsible and in charge of their faculties, but this could change if they come under the influence of illegal substances, or fall under the spell of some radical political group, etc. Regarding our constitution, it is open to some interpretation. The right to bear arms originally applied to militias and similar organized activities, but this has been applied to individual citizens and is not likely to be changed. So I believe we will always have this problem. And when these horrible shootings occur, we will always regurgitate the same old arguments, and debate endlessly about it. Until all of the sane and responsible citizens are willing to give up their gun rights because of the very few individuals who cannot be trusted - this sad problem will go on. Even if guns were banned, those crooks who really want one would find a way to get one. Man kind is a fallen being...
 

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