A new direction for Maserati?

montravia

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Clearly the market revenue earner is SUV from an aspirational marque.
First one needs to be desirable to be aspired to, hence a halo core GT/Sports.
Then comes the SUV for those for which a sports GT isn't viable.
All of the prestigious marques do this.
Unfortunately the Levante is so poor it needs not only to be ditched but buried deep and erased from memory and replaced with something that isn't a Chrysler with a badge on
 

bigbob

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Clearly the market revenue earner is SUV from an aspirational marque.
First one needs to be desirable to be aspired to, hence a halo core GT/Sports.
Then comes the SUV for those for which a sports GT isn't viable.
All of the prestigious marques do this.
Unfortunately the Levante is so poor it needs not only to be ditched but buried deep and erased from memory and replaced with something that isn't a Chrysler with a badge on

Have you driven one? It's actually a good car, the air suspension doing a great job and it looks better than many of it's peers too.
 

BJL

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Really pleased they have at last realised what we have been saying for years. The bean counters have it wrong again is no surprise. Entrepreneurs and visionaries make things happen not market analysts and accountants.
Merge the Ghibli and the QP into a Panamera rival with V6 and V8 Hybrid and bring on a fire breathing GT that raises the bar well above the Sub Ferrari rivals. Oh and one last thing..........please don't give the press the boggo standard lowest power entry version that they normally bring out first. Use a bit of nouse and lay top trump on the table first to get the juices flowing then offer a more basic variant after the dust has settled.
 

montravia

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I have, I was given a sport + Lux dah di dah with delivery mileage for a couple of days while GT in for minor work.
I have to admit, that the best thing about it was the use of Skyhook suspension carried over, so the handling wasn't at all bad.
The rest is pure Chrysler. It would only get going within Sport mode, but you had to put up with the childish synthesised muscle car sound. Switched off, too embarrassing. There are far better from competition.
I was relieved to give it back, ungrateful bytch that I am
 

bigbob

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I have, I was given a sport + Lux dah di dah with delivery mileage for a couple of days while GT in for minor work.
I have to admit, that the best thing about it was the use of Skyhook suspension carried over, so the handling wasn't at all bad.
The rest is pure Chrysler. It would only get going within Sport mode, but you had to put up with the childish synthesised muscle car sound. Switched off, too embarrassing. There are far better from competition.
I was relieved to give it back, ungrateful bytch that I am

Well that's what makes a market!
 

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FCA can do it when they make the effort ( and spend the money). The Giulia Quad is best in class, as is now the Stelvio Quad, which beat the Macan S in a UK mag test (which means it must have been way way better)!
 

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FCA can do it when they make the effort ( and spend the money). The Giulia Quad is best in class, as is now the Stelvio Quad, which beat the Macan S in a UK mag test (which means it must have been way way better)!
Problem is the base model units Alfa need to shift are not selling. I suspect they don’t make any money on the halo QV models.

Maserati should do the halo models, Alfa mass sales.
 

outrun

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FCA can do it when they make the effort ( and spend the money). The Giulia Quad is best in class, as is now the Stelvio Quad, which beat the Macan S in a UK mag test (which means it must have been way way better)!

True however the interior quality in the Guilia isn't very good at all and actually stopped me from ordering one as a new daily. It's a massive identity crisis from both brands, and perhaps some greed from Ferrari that's fed all this.

The Ferrari California should be a Maserati.
The Quadrofoglio engine should be in the Levante and Ghibli.
The California engine should be in a new Maserati GT or Alfieri sports cars. Or perhaps both.
The Stelvio and Guilia are nice but Alfa need to bring out new, better quality entry cars and bin the Mito and Guilietta which are past
their sell by dates and not valued by the marketplace, hence not selling any more. The 4C is great but needs more development money
spent on it and the price lowered.
The QP should stay and be a pinnacle of classic design and quality, without the requirement to tie up with stuffy brands like
Salvatore Ferragamo. Maserati shouldn't need any other brand to send out it's message of style and quality. Should be the other way
around. It need to go to Pininfarina for new design and to have everything needed in terms of gadgets and safety to take on the Germans.

The brand positioning was already there, they've just messed up the natural order of things.

Maserati - fast, stylish, understated, for the discerning individual who wants quality without shouting about it. - Le Mans, trofeo/blancpain racing, polo, America's Cup
Alfa - fantastic Italian sports cars with flair, affordable for all and with high end models to aspire to. - Touring cars, privateers and factory, maybe rallying, Italian football sponsors, bit of F1 branding here and there
Ferrari - pretty much doing it right - F1, big time brand positioning, stock market placement

Where do I send my consultancy bill to?
 
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allandwf

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Clearly the market revenue earner is SUV from an aspirational marque.
First one needs to be desirable to be aspired to, hence a halo core GT/Sports.
Then comes the SUV for those for which a sports GT isn't viable.
All of the prestigious marques do this.
Unfortunately the Levante is so poor it needs not only to be ditched but buried deep and erased from memory and replaced with something that isn't a Chrysler with a badge on
Passed a Bentley one in traffic yesterday. Didn't know they made one too.
 

MrMickS

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I saw the Manley stuff at the weekend and I think that he does have it right. Under Ferrari Maserati made cars that Ferrari couldn't make and badge as Ferrari, with Alfa the focus has been too much on volume and trying to bring Alfa back. In both cases Maserati has been the red-headed step child rather than the main event.

For an initial model range I'd have the following:

Levante - Its a good capable SUV and sadly its what people are buying.
4 door Saloon - I'd have the new version be a QP and a QP Royale for the LWB version. Similar to the way that the Germans stick an L on the end.
2+2 Sports car - This would be similar to the Alfieri and be the 'affordable' Maserati sports car
GT - Four seat, range topping supercar

What they do need though is that Maserati craziness with more powerful engines. The original QP was about putting a race developed V8 into a saloon car. The Bi-Turbo era was about putting supercar (at the time) power into a saloon car.

Of course the issue with this would be regulation compliance including emissions etc. So they should use mild-hybrid in the same way that they used turbos in the 80s. To deliver more power without falling foul of regulations that hit both them and their customers. This is the real problem with the last few years. Not being at the forefront of new technology.
 

Wanderer

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Seems the way we are going is the tech will replace the heritage unless some manufacturer can really embrace it. Cool electric cars? Tesla? Do me a favour.

Apple are developing a car, so maybe we might have an open-source Linux car, who knows, maybe the future is design your own car, just a battery and motors, the rest you specify and badge it as your own.

It's not far off now that a decent fast well-specced comfy efficient car with all the toys is a throw-away item, all recyclable, all worthy, but......
 

rockits

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Problem is with software.....it crashes and freezes on occasion and needs a reboot. You wouldn't want that on your car!
 

rs48635

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Problem is with software.....it crashes and freezes on occasion and needs a reboot. You wouldn't want that on your car!

err........have you *time for a ride in my 3200? Rebooted almost every drive, but only for the first 12 months after which it settled down.

*not actually on the road right now...........
 

rs48635

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we have 3200, QP V and Levante to choose from. (only the Levante is running today).

Given free choice I would pick the 3200 every time, unless I wanted to avoid arriving ready to do something calm and reasonably civilised when I would take the QP.
The 3200 is jekyll and Hyde in a great way, GT car and scary sports-ish coupe.
The QP looks sane, sober-suited and seriously smart. It hides that screaming F136 unit that makes a smile crack open my head like a split watermelon. Oh lordy 5000-7500 rpm is fun.

Given the current choice of bicycle, bus or taxi I choose the Levante. Only because the bike tyres need inflating and my partner is driving to the station in Levante anyway.

It is all about the engine, wrapped in a decent quality beautiful design. Something "not like everybody else". please
 

safrane

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Hate to think what the ex sixt cars will be like in two years when they go back to Maserati with 500 careless drivers and washed 3-5 times a week at a car rental branch with all their **** gear.