15years and then it’s leccy only!

[Lavazza]

It’s going to be interesting what the impact of this is on second hand prices. Not now, but say in December 2035. Would in mean that a petrol car then would plummet? Or stay high, because of rarity.

Depends on legislation, cost of tax and fuel and foreign demand for ICE cars etc.
Another factor is public sentiment. Will they be cherished as a steam train is now, or will the environment agenda be such that you're basically driving something totally unacceptable to society. The reality will probably be somewhere inbetween.

 

[Wack61]

I obviously get a lot of trains and find them great, but I’m with you on the rest.

North - South is OK but travelling around the north west is pretty abysmal ,there's a reason northern rail is losing its franchise
we went to lincoln on the train a few months ago , Midland railways I think it was, the train was old , cramped and scruffy , changed at sheffield, the trains going to London were new and looked very comfortable.

 

[Swedish Paul]

The train service between Ilkeston and Nottingham is that bad, I bought a car so now do that instead. Saves me a good hour a day minimum, and when the trains are late/cancelled as they often are, 2 hours a day. And the extra cost of a bus ride. Northern trains. Pure rubbish.

 

[philw696]

I'm hanging on to what I have here in France and always on the look out for more team members to join my stable

On Trains here in France they are amazing and I have travelled on a few to and from Charles De Gaul airport wouldn't want to take the car to Paris by choice.

 

[allandwf]

For me the issue is charging. A very rough generalisation, only those who own a detached house could charge overnight, possibly a 2 car family. Those in terraces and flats, over 60% of the population would not manage this luxury. Half don't even have a dedicated parking space.So unless you can nip down somewhere and get a full charge, in the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee, I can't see how it will work for the majority of people.

 

[keith]

In terms of the long term future car ownership will become a rarity, something for the very rich who can afford what will be enormous taxation.
For the masses working from home will become much more common place, and for those where public transport or the s*g bicycle won't work there will be state owned electric 'pods' that you will rent.
The idea of car ownership is gradually being vilified until such time future generations will find the concept, unless you are very wealthy, just odd.
The roads in Central London are well on the way to becoming an elitist network for those super rich to drive and park their Ferrari s and Bentley's etc. For them it's a win win situation, as it keeps the peasants from cluttering the place up. After all apart from travelling into London to service these select few, for which the woefull public transport network will suffice they don't need to be there.
By the way why doesn't the government give up their chauffeur driven cars and use a bike or public transport!?!?!?! Oh yes of course they govern us and that makes them more important, hence they are deservered of the evil car.
Call me a cynic, but this whole thing pedalled by the likes of that dross Sky News, acts as a good story filler. A Greta angry girl speech speech always makes for a good headline. Perhaps try a visit to China, India, etc where the environment is much lower down the scale, and pollution and emissions really do need to be looked at.
Apologies if I sound a little bitter and twisted, but this latest garbage on the news, which makes little or no pretence of being in anyway balanced is becoming the new normal.

 

[rockits]

Radical possibly......how about we find a way to turn the existing emissions into zero somehow. So we we leave all the cars on the road as they are but have some DPF style unit that absorbs/captures all gases. The we have some unit somewhere that we can exchange them for a clean one while the full/dirty ones are expelled into some hermetically sealed massive dome in the country somewhere full of something that converts it to nothing.

Obviously I am no chemical or science professor! It seems we are creating solutions that are massive shifts with massive costs, continual ongoing maintenance/running costs. While still producing more new cars that likely cost more in energy/resources to build than they may consume in their lifetime possibly. Sometimes the answer can be a little simpler albeit crude. Stop the gases actually hitting the atmosphere in the first place at source.

It would be interesting to know how much emissions/resources a car is responsible for to build it compared to what it emits in its lifetime. Bearing in mind it seems the lifetime of a car is getting forever short than cars built many moons ago.

I like many don't see how full EV's are the answer. I already can hardly ever charge my PHEV in London with very few on the road in comparison to how many there will be if idiots BJ gets his way. How the heck am I going to charge it when the masses buy it EV's?

It is a multi faceted solution. Stop building so many new cars, cut unnecessary journeys, organise/design cities with good public transport links but also in a way that journey's can be reduced. Stop shipping half the world to the other side of the world and back again. Unless we start doing other things like this then even 100% of us into EV's won't make a dent. The electricity still has to come from somewhere.

 

[safrane]

So who wants to go in with me and buy a number of Post Office box in a former Soviet country?

We register our cars there and drive them here and ignore tax liability and the rules that are spoiling our auto joy!

 

[Delmonte]

On Harry’s vid it showed 230 mile range and did 200 miles, it’s pretty much the same as the range meter on every car I have ever owned, with the exception that when it’s flat you can’t pick it up and carry it home like I could with my radio controlled car as a kid.

He did mention a number of up sides, the fact that your car is always full of volts in the morning rather than having to go to a petrol station. But overall we are not there yet on BEVs.

He only squeezed that mileage out of it by doing local stop start driving and using regen. On the motorway, it lost 30% due to no regen. So, if I had one and wanted to go to London (200 miles, all motorway) it wouldn’t get there. I could just about get to Birmingham, but couldn’t get back without filling up. This is a big car, not a shopping car, and I consider that to be **** - if it takes an hour or so to fill, it makes my 2 hour journey into a 3 hour one. Without mentioning all the other downsides, this alone is Not nearly good enough.... IMHO

 

[rockits]

This is another point. Electric cars are heavier. Stop building bigger heavier cars and build smaller lighter ones!

 

[Delmonte]

It would be interesting to know how much emissions/resources a car is responsible for to build it compared to what it emits in its lifetime. Bearing in mind it seems the lifetime of a car is getting forever short than cars built many moons ago.

Sorry to cut your post so much but I wanted to address this point. I’ve been banging on at people who consider themselves green, for ages regarding this. One guy in particular who’s on his second electric car in 2 years. My cars are 10/15/14 years old and will go for many years yet. How much energy emissions and resources to build a car? I’d love to know that. But a figure banded around for a long time was 90% of an engined cars’ lifetime emissions are in its construction. Impossible to quantify, but the ripples go on for ever, all the factories involved in the construction of components around the world, raw materials mining, transporting, shaping, packaging, labour, millions of miles of shipping stuff.... I drive past scrapyards full of 12 year old cars piled up, and know there’s nothing wrong with 90 odd percent of that car, just thinking, this is madness. Building whole new cars to replace a small brown part, or a bit of corrosion. Plus, it’s widely known that electric cars’ energy to build is worse (they are heavier, and battery materials come from parts of the world where cars aren’t built....)

 

[rockits]

I'm leaning your way as well. It would be good to see the data. I can well believe building a new car is much worse. My brother told me the car trade had some research data that suggested keeping 2nd hand cars running was way better. Kind of makes sense but actual raw data would be good to see.

 

[rockits]

How many more parts and weight do we have in new cars now compared to 30 years ago? Just look at the size and weights....massive diet needed and like half the population cars have also got obese.

 

[montravia]

Looks like I'll be using the Traction Engine a bit more then. Interesting down Stanway Hill.
Antway the GT will fall into the same category.

 

[Delmonte]

How many more parts and weight do we have in new cars now compared to 30 years ago? Just look at the size and weights....massive diet needed and like half the population cars have also got obese.

I was shocked to find that a Renault Zoe, really an electric Clio, weighs almost as much as my old V6 GTV... And a Tesla Model S is approaching 2.5 tons... But you’re right, it’s not just electrics. All cars are now pointlessy heavy

 

[Scaf]

I am not a supporter of EV ‘S, but assuming they can produce enough electricity (which I doubt) charging could potentially be overcome once battery tech improves (they become lighter) then legislate for a one battery fits all and move to exchanging batteries at what were petrol stations.

 

[rockits]

A MK1 Golf is 790-970kg whereas a MK8 Golf is circa 1450kg. That's progress for you. No wonder our roads are screwed.

 

[Wack61]

I'm hanging on to what I have here in France and always on the look out for more team members to join my stable

I'm Going to France in April , I doubt I'll want to come back so if you find someone living in your shed it might be me

 

[rockits]

The Tesla 85 kWh battery pack weighs 540 kg and contains 7,104 lithium-ion battery cells in 16 modules wired in series.

A Scaf says until we can have swapable battery packs at maybe 25kg a piece and maybe max 4 to a car to give us 250 miles we are miles off base.

 

[Delmonte]

I am not a supporter of EV ‘S, but assuming they can produce enough electricity (which I doubt) charging could potentially be overcome once battery tech improves (they become lighter) then legislate for a one battery fits all and move to exchanging batteries at what were petrol stations.

I would love to see legislation that forced Tesla charging stations to be open to all electric cars. Even if just to see the look on that smug charlatan Musks face. Never in a million years would it happen though