15years and then it’s leccy only!

MrMickS

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Reading between the lines that’s not a commitment to full electric just not new diesel or petrol. Does that mean hybrids are still ok?

The chances are that by 2030 most cars will be hybrid at least anyway. EU legislation will see to that, yes I know we aren’t in the EU but the size of the market will dictate what manufacturers produce.

I spotted something over the weekend that said BMW were going to be making petrol engines for at least the next 30 years, and are developing a new engine. Presumably this would be to sit in will hybrids.
 

dickygrace

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I don’t buy new cars, only ever have once. There’s enough used cars out there for sale to satisfy my needs for the rest of my motoring life. I doubt they’ll completely ban ICE cars, they’ll just tax us a fortune to use them, as they already do.
 

zagatoes30

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I don’t buy new cars, only ever have once. There’s enough used cars out there for sale to satisfy my needs for the rest of my motoring life. I doubt they’ll completely ban ICE cars, they’ll just tax us a fortune to use them, as they already do.

My view too and same only bought one new car and unlikely to buy another
 

Hawk13

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Reading between the lines that’s not a commitment to full electric just not new diesel or petrol. Does that mean hybrids are still ok?

BBC are reporting no hybrids either - so pure electric (or whatever sensible alternative solution someone actually adopts).
 

Geo

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I don’t buy new cars, only ever have once. There’s enough used cars out there for sale to satisfy my needs for the rest of my motoring life. I doubt they’ll completely ban ICE cars, they’ll just tax us a fortune to use them, as they already do.

I’ll go one better, I’ve never bought a new car and never will.
 

dickygrace

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I’ll go one better, I’ve never bought a new car and never will.

I kept it 3 months and sold for break even. I only bought it (pre-order) as it should have been selling at over list. It was an RX8, Mazda then announced import would be ten fold so I bailed and bought a 911.
 
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Oneball

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Not a chance. EV and PHEV don’t even make 4% of car sales at the mo. Most manufacturers are planning to go all electric by 2050 and raw materials for batteries aren’t going to be available in sufficient quantities. Look at the anti HS2 lot, imagine what they’ll be like when you want to put charging points on Chipping Camden high street or a juice station on the South Downs. Imagine what Michael Wood services will be like on May bank holiday with 4 charging points.

Boris is just flirting with Greta. Sounds great and appeals to the masses but without the sort of free market incentives that delivered railways and cars it ain’t going to happen.
 

zagatoes30

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I kept it 3 months and sold for break even. I only bought it (pre-order) as it should have been selling at over list. It was an RX8, Mazda then announced import would be ten fold so I bailed and bought a 911.

Mine was a 97 Alfa 155 2.0 16V Sportpack, Nord Blue with Anthracite wheels & Aircon, last before the 156 came out paid £14k which was £4k off list and they threw in a Brietling Alfa watch (1 or 50) which I still have. I did 100k miles in it mainly on the redline and bump stops before selling it to a mate who put another 50k on it.
 

Ewan

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For most people, charging at home overnight is sufficient for their daily driving needs. And given the current rate of progress, ranges for ekectric cars will be vastly improved in another 10 years anyway.

In the early fifties no one had been into space. Fifteen years later, man was on the moon. And progress happens far quicker now than then. It’ll be fine.
 

Sam McGoo

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For most people, charging at home overnight is sufficient for their daily driving needs.

What about those that live in flats, or a house without private parking, or terraced houses where they have to park half a mile down the road?
Where are they going to charge at home over night?

Yes things will move fast, and it will probably happen quicker than we think, but the charging infastructure for those living in heavily populated built up areas (where co2 needs to be reduced) is surely going to lacking.
 

Delmonte

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Watch Harry Metcalfe's iPace review. The challenge of charging it made it a local-runs only daily driver.
That thing showed a 250 mile range, but lost 30% of that if you use it on a motorway. So, range 150 miles if fully charged? :oops: By which time you’re at the other end of the country, there are 5 different charger connectors in the UK, can’t use a Tesla charge point cos it’s not a Tesla, find a free and working charge point, download the app, subscribe to that with bank details, address, work out a monthly tariff and submit to monthly fees only usable with that supplier, then wait an hour to fill up? Sorry but that’s dog sh**
 

Delmonte

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I think the bigger issue is needing to generate enough electricity from wind / solar etc to charge them all, oh and to recruit enough children to mine the lithium and cobalt.

No worries there - limitless supply of impoverished kids in Central Africa Republic where all that stuff comes from. Complete with slavery level wages and no inconvenient H&S legislation
 

2b1ask1

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As most of my miles are in heavily loaded commercial vehicles, I have to say there is only one manufacturer who is addressing the issue of hauling realistic loads around on leccy and that is the LEVC (London Electric Vehicle Company) or black cab manufacturer. They are testing a transit (full size) size vehicle based on the taxi floor pan and mechanics with a 3.2t GVW and from the box it will be supplied with a fully electric range that is usable and with the donkey engine (range extender) will be up to around 470miles! Also they took the time (the commercial vehicle development manager personally) to phone me and discuss my actual requirements and included the need to run the 130t hydraulic press at 12V off the vehicle systems on site. Not a problem as the systems are developed to run refrigeration versions of the van all day! A totally different reaction than Nissan who actually would not even let me have an extended test drive and would not even entertain a roof rack, let alone a tow bar or auxiliary power...