£70 X-Pipe!

namaste

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Certainly I had 63mm valves on the boxes, but wouldn't promise it's the same all the way along. That looks like the cross over is quite large as well.

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Sherlock here...

Yes thats the one, but, you're better off trying to get the seller to make the same thing without the flared ends. The ID of the flared ends is 63mm, but the pipes on the end of the cats that the X will fix to are 60mm OD, so I had to make up collars to fit in the flared ends using 63mm OD pipe, which has a 60mm ID. These collars are then slotted to provide a clamping function, but the bolt clamps on this pipe are not sufficient either, so I'll be grinding them off, adding a couple of more slots, and using Mikalor clamps to provide the compression needed. If you can get the X without the flared ends, and slotted rather than the bolt clamp, I'm sure you wouldn't need the collars, and simply use a 60mm OD pipe to make up the length to the next exhaust section, which has a 60mm ID end. There are possibly even simpler solutions out there, but again, probably worth waiting for me to mess things up and fix things before spending your money.

Edit: and yes it does look like a nicer cross over doesn't it :(
 
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namaste

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So the clamps I ordered are too big so this might not be done by the weekend but its coming together.

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Shall I just drive it like this? :p

The X looks so measly from that angle I get the feeling this is going to behave more like straight through pipes. We'll see.
 

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You do know that that’s actually an H pipe if it just has a hole between ? The X pipes crash the gases across each other .
 

namaste

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You do know that that’s actually an H pipe if it just has a hole between ? The X pipes crash the gases across each other .

I had that thought too. There's going to be a bit of mingling rather than crashing, with a bit of straight throughing thrown in. It'll be interesting.
 

namaste

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A hex pipe. Hopefully it won't curse anyone or anything.

HeX pipe, I like it.

I think I'm going to contact the Exhaust place I bought it from and request a quote for one that crosses over properly, then I can swap them out depending on what sound I want.
 

Mike X

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Can I ask how much?

Also, how much difference did it make to the noise?
I think it was about £300 posted .
The noise is not really that different to be honest , maybe a tad louder , but not much , the tone is better and the pops and bangs are released on the over run , before it was all muted fuffle and thump now it’s snap , crackle and pop , definitely makes you smile .
I am just about to mod the back boxes to be a bit more vocal , I will post my findings as I go .
 

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Exhausts flow in pulses caused by the opening and closing of the valves. A standing wave is the drone you get in steady state driving (on the motorway) where the pulse frequency matches the resonant frequency of the exhaust assembly and it vibrates in sympathy like an church organ.

Pops and crackles are unburnt fuel air mixture from incomplete combustion, they are always there, they are just absorbed by the silencer/Resonator which is a crossover made from perforated pipe inside a sealed box full of wadding. The silencer / resonator acts as a pressure wave terminator, so the exhaust pulses are merged and the pulse intensity reduced so noise at the tail pipe reduces.

On a cross plane V8 the firing order is not even, so there are cylinders on the same bank which fire close together and so their exhaust pulses are close together, while there is no exhaust pulse on the opposing bank. The theory of both a X and H pipe is that they allow the exhaust pulse to crossover to the unused other side of the exhaust, reducing the overall back pressure and making a bit more power. In our case, the removal of the silencer increases the noise level and the geometry of the X or H pipe changes the quality of the sound, but a non linked system would be noisier than both. In general H pipes benefit engines at lower engine speeds because they crossover more readily at low gas speeds, X pipes are better at high engine speeds because they crossover more readily at high gas speeds.

In summary then, the removal of the silencer increases the noise level and allows the exhaust pulses to reach the rear silencers, increasing the quality and level of the noise. The crossover design alters the way in which the exhaust pulses crossover into the other side of the exhaust system, altering the sound.

As an interesting aside (maybe), I have just read Adrian Newey's book, How to Design a Car, and he wrote about the impact of exhaust pulses on the aero of the RB8. The exhaust pulses at the tip of the exhaust formed a toroidal pressure wave, like a smoke ring, at the end of the exhaust, which was messing with their efforts to use the exhaust to reduce the impact of turbulence from the wheel on the diffuser. To combat this they enclosed the exhaust tip on three sides and Renault installed a resonator in the exhaust, basically a large extra bit of pipe capped at one end and plumbed into the exhaust before the tip. This absorbed the pulses and smoothed the flow, the smoke ring was prevented from forming, and they won the world championship.

In my opinion, the Namaste's pipe will act a bit like an X, but the crossover at high gas flow will be minimal so it will probably be quite loud.
 
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namaste

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So I did end up getting this finished today and went for a drive. Its loud and it growls! The pops and crackles are slightly more noticable, I would guess down to the silencer removal more than anything. Not nearly as audible as when I open the valves, which I can do with my remote, but the pops and crackles on lift off have always been clearly audible with the valves open so no change there. Its definitely louder overall when the valves open but remains pretty much as quiet as before with the valves closed. Something I immediately noticed though is a performance boost. It picks up better.

I've never had a proper X or H pipe so I couldn't say what it sounds more like, but I'm guessing its more of a H because it growls now when the valves open and pops and crackles are not noticably in your face like I'm assuming a proper X is.

So it hasn't completely done what I set out for it to do, but its still sounds pretty good with a little performance boost to boot, all for a pretty small sum of money. It will definitely stay on.