Cars that should do well over the next 10years

rockits

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I noted, Harry Metcalf in his latest video, said that he thought older ICE cars would become like vintage watches and horses.
I think he may be slightly wrong with that, as I worry that people’s perception of ICE cars will change, like smoking, and become socially unacceptable.
Watches and horses aren’t perceived by the young to be killing the planet!
I’m enjoying them while they last!
I agree with your broad sentiment but not sure the ICE is an issue at all until all other aspects of other massive polluters are removed first. I read that if you took every motor vehicle off the planet to reduce their emissions to zero it would only reduce global CO2 emissions by less than 1%.

Didn't Harry also say to run his little Elan for 10k miles and 10 years so 1k miles per year would kick out about 4 tons of CO2. However a single seat on a single flight from London to LA was also 4 tons. Makes you stop and think.
 

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What do we think to the Ferrari 599... ?

Fewer than 250 of all variants on the road in the UK, terrific engine, pretty bullet proof. Current values aren't silly.
 

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I bought a fairly rare 205 GTI about 10 years ago for £1,800 and sold it a few months back for £11,000.
Fantastic profit you say!!!........but I did spent about £8k on it and hundreds of hours of effort.

I get loads of enjoyment out of trying to make my cars perfect, as well as using them as intended. Apart from the 205, I tend to change my "fun" car every 2-3 years. Always sell them for a little more than I paid but when you factor in what I have spent, I might just break even if very lucky. None are purchased for investments and all have been very much enjoyed.

Have come to the conclusion that chasing profit is best left for the people that do it for a living. Exception may be a handful of recent, fairly "regular car" examples but its the high end exotic, rare stuff that seems to earn good money, but they are hard to buy ££££ and don't even think about taking it out of its air conditioned storage!

Either by for investment, or buy for your pleasure and enjoyment. I think you are very lucky if you set out to achieve both without ruining the experience in some significant way.

All that said, I'm absolutely convinced that the Gransport will have its moment in the future. Comparing it to other cars I have owned, the price you can buy a good one for now appears to be genuinely bonkers! We will see.
 

Matt82

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I agree with your broad sentiment but not sure the ICE is an issue at all until all other aspects of other massive polluters are removed first. I read that if you took every motor vehicle off the planet to reduce their emissions to zero it would only reduce global CO2 emissions by less than 1%.

Didn't Harry also say to run his little Elan for 10k miles and 10 years so 1k miles per year would kick out about 4 tons of CO2. However a single seat on a single flight from London to LA was also 4 tons. Makes you stop and think.
Without a doubt I agree with you, cars aren’t the problem.
Trouble is, the government and the schools teaching kids would have you believe they are! Banning sales of new ICE cars from 2030 isn’t going to save the planet, it is a good political move though
 

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Trouble is you guys haven't even factored in that we might well not be even able to use our cars in the future!

Suitable fuels for example, then there's taxation, It won't be easy!

Got a feeling the smaller engined old cars are going to do best..

Dave
 

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What do we think to the Ferrari 599... ?

Fewer than 250 of all variants on the road in the UK, terrific engine, pretty bullet proof. Current values aren't silly.
Yes, I think the 599 is the clear value standout in the Ferrari stable. Aside from the manuals and the special editions which are absurdly priced, a simple HGTE equipped variant is great buying at the moment (IMUHO)
 

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If the car is not already sought after now I personally belive the remaining stock will just gradually fall away.

There were just too many built, and people will not want to spend a fortune maintaining them. Gov will legislate them off the roads and only the very rich will be able to run them at things like Goodwood etc.

People see cars like washing machines now, where as the cars that command bug bucks now were low volume, and desired by hundreds...not the £400pm lease deals that have hooked the current generation on a new car and I-phone every other year.
 

rivarama

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What do we think to the Ferrari 599... ?

Fewer than 250 of all variants on the road in the UK, terrific engine, pretty bullet proof. Current values aren't silly.
Try the 550M in RHD, w 330 registered in the UK, manual V12 and prob £20-25k cheaper L4L than the 599
 

alfatwo

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If the car is not already sought after now I personally belive the remaining stock will just gradually fall away.

There were just too many built, and people will not want to spend a fortune maintaining them. Gov will legislate them off the roads and only the very rich will be able to run them at things like Goodwood etc.

People see cars like washing machines now, where as the cars that command bug bucks now were low volume, and desired by hundreds...not the £400pm lease deals that have hooked the current generation on a new car and I-phone every other year.
So what are your saying, people are actually going to start paying cash for there old cars and not leasing them on the knock!

There's not many on here who could afford a brand new top end Merc paying cash, and why would you when at the moment you can blag it!

Its all going to go pair shaped in the end!

Dave
 

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There is something I’ve been pondering, is that the next generation will always have its rebels. If the predominant majority is a post-Greta herd, then there will be a reaction to it, a counterculture. After all, the tone is authoritarian (whether left or right), and that always provokes rebellion. Perhaps there’ll be a yearning for the mechanical, rather than the digital.
You can already see that happening with art; we live in an HD world yet people love filters to make HD images look like retro 35mm images; Instagram filters and the like. Reality is too real. In cutting edge underground music, there’s been a trend for a good few years to Inject tape hiss into purely digitally made records to add a sense of atmosphere; this is music crafted and created by 18-35 year olds. Metcalfe touched on mechanical watches - I’ve no doubt he was right but the closest I’ve got to a vintage Patek is peering at one through a window. Perhaps more telling is the ongoing rise of vinyl sales and turntables; cassette tape is also coming back into fashion. We’re coming to a time of peak technology - just how much better can the next iPhone be, for example? What new wonders can the next-gen TVs offer? It’s a real problem, which tends to be solved with built-in obsolescence. Maybe the future is in remixing and retrofitting, and old cars are part of that, especially if the synthetic fuels proposed by Porsche recently offer a riposte to the boring silence of EV. Look behind the rather ridiculous Connery in a nappy, and the themes of Zardoz are quite interesting; maybe Vanishing Point too. Considering the way the climate change debate has been framed ‘disaster, apocalypse, fear’, there is a frame of mind that some might take the view. ‘f*ck it, death by roaring out, rather than cowering’
Sorry, thinking freely. I should probably go to bed.
 

alfatwo

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There is something I’ve been pondering, is that the next generation will always have its rebels. If the predominant majority is a post-Greta herd, then there will be a reaction to it, a counterculture. After all, the tone is authoritarian (whether left or right), and that always provokes rebellion. Perhaps there’ll be a yearning for the mechanical, rather than the digital.
You can already see that happening with art; we live in an HD world yet people love filters to make HD images look like retro 35mm images; Instagram filters and the like. Reality is too real. In cutting edge underground music, there’s been a trend for a good few years to Inject tape hiss into purely digitally made records to add a sense of atmosphere; this is music crafted and created by 18-35 year olds. Metcalfe touched on mechanical watches - I’ve no doubt he was right but the closest I’ve got to a vintage Patek is peering at one through a window. Perhaps more telling is the ongoing rise of vinyl sales and turntables; cassette tape is also coming back into fashion. We’re coming to a time of peak technology - just how much better can the next iPhone be, for example? What new wonders can the next-gen TVs offer? It’s a real problem, which tends to be solved with built-in obsolescence. Maybe the future is in remixing and retrofitting, and old cars are part of that, especially if the synthetic fuels proposed by Porsche recently offer a riposte to the boring silence of EV. Look behind the rather ridiculous Connery in a nappy, and the themes of Zardoz are quite interesting; maybe Vanishing Point too. Considering the way the climate change debate has been framed ‘disaster, apocalypse, fear’, there is a frame of mind that some might take the view. ‘f*ck it, death by roaring out, rather than cowering’
Sorry, thinking freely. I should probably go to bed.
And you haven't even mentioned the Covid situation yet!

Dave
 

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Who knows what will do well over the next 10 years.....We are all doomed so feck all.......
 

Andyk

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Actually I think cars that don't cost a fortune to run........Fuel prices will go up so those lightweight fun cars that you don't need to be going at 100 miles an hour to enjoy........If you think it's hard to sell a Maserati now can't see that changing.......Why would it...?.....It always has been hard.....Limited market and I think that will get smaller as we go through the years. That's for most gas guzzlers maybe.....See told you we are all doomed... :(.......As a foot note which I mentioned before.....The 14/15 year olds today don't seem to have the affection for these cars as our generation and in 10 years they will be the buyers.....Schools are teaching these days that cars are nasty and this will effect prices as we go forward........Even more doom.....☹️.........Just buy what you want and bloody enjoy now I say.......
 
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Lavazza

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Try the 550M in RHD, w 330 registered in the UK, manual V12 and prob £20-25k cheaper L4L than the 599
The only trouble is that I can't find one, the cheapest I could find (cheap doesn't seem like the right word) is £70k at KHPC.

£80-£90k asking price is pretty busy territory for a decent 599, but from what I can see, 550's are £90k plus.

Are you looking in a different place to me? Seriously, a really nice £60-£70k 550 would be great, but I'm just not seeing them.
 

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Have I mentioned a Renault 4 ?
Anything small, quirky and fun.
It's nice to have something with a carburettor and distributor for the ignition and good old tappetts to play with.
Two years motoring has been a Hoot cost me less than a £100 on maintenance and has nicely gone up in value too.
 

rivarama

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The only trouble is that I can't find one, the cheapest I could find (cheap doesn't seem like the right word) is £70k at KHPC.

£80-£90k asking price is pretty busy territory for a decent 599, but from what I can see, 550's are £90k plus.

Are you looking in a different place to me? Seriously, a really nice £60-£70k 550 would be great, but I'm just not seeing them.

I don’t know the details about this car, but knowing KHPC, it is probably reasonably clean. I am sure that if you were to come up with a serious offer at £63-64k w a fresh service included in the price, KHPC / the owner would def consider it, esp in this market.
 

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My last purchase that I couldn’t resist was a mint 3.2 GTV phase 3. Paid £5k for it this time last year. A little tidying, wheels and the odd bit of trim and there is one for sale at the moment for £15,995,

Stick to what you know I say

Saying that I have a LHD F360 on its way and already sold it.
 

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Renault 14...paid £1400 for it I have people offering me over £5k for it already. Not spent a penny on it as yet.

It’s not for sale, people have just found it online and pestering me for it.

Nostalgia pays, remember that!
 

rivarama

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Have I mentioned a Renault 4 ?
Anything small, quirky and fun.
It's nice to have something with a carburettor and distributor for the ignition and good old tappetts to play with.
Two years motoring has been a Hoot cost me less than a £100 on maintenance and has nicely gone up in value too.

My parent bought one to my sister as a first car when she turned 18 (in the late 90s)... she loved it while I thought it was the most ridiculous car at the time and so uncool. I even remember feeling embarrassed in that car... that was the stupid 17 y/o me I guess.
Looking back, I wish I felt differently as I think it’s a cool looking car, just like the 2CV is. It was certainly fun to drive. Given the bicycle sized wheels, I never understood how we never flipped the car on the roads and speeds we drove it :)
 

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So what are your saying, people are actually going to start paying cash for there old cars and not leasing them on the knock!

There's not many on here who could afford a brand new top end Merc paying cash, and why would you when at the moment you can blag it!

Its all going to go pair shaped in the end!

Dave
Not really... the huge majority see a car as a disposable item just like a phone and pretty soon thats how they will be bought as a complete package (car, insurance electric, maintenance) and hand it back for a new one every 3 years... as such they will become more and more bland with just the features being the differences.