Petrol/Diesel new car ban

safrane

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Yep. It's coming and I/Mrs BB will have one or two electric cars for sub 75 mile radius from home trips but I will keep a petrol car for long journeys. My main family car is a petrol XC90 and that is perfect for long runs, holidays etc and it's an impressive car on winter tyres. Might get a replacement new one near them ending production.
I have a T8 hybrid and I'm well pleased... petrol when you need it and DC when you want to potter... 5.3 0-60 and in the first 6 weeks 98% journeys in electric according to the volvo app.
 

Phil H

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Never mind the ban on ice, what about this:

"Ferrari will share more details on its plans during a capital markets day next year. It will also begin sales of its first-ever SUV, the Purosangue, in 2022 -- years after Bentley’s Bentayga and Lamborghini’s Urus came to market."

Bl00dy accountants......
 

Gazcw

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Never mind the ban on ice, what about this:

"Ferrari will share more details on its plans during a capital markets day next year. It will also begin sales of its first-ever SUV, the Purosangue, in 2022 -- years after Bentley’s Bentayga and Lamborghini’s Urus came to market."

Bl00dy accountants......
'Thoroughbred'. SUV. Please!
 

Harry

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Never mind the ban on ice, what about this:

"Ferrari will share more details on its plans during a capital markets day next year. It will also begin sales of its first-ever SUV, the Purosangue, in 2022 -- years after Bentley’s Bentayga and Lamborghini’s Urus came to market."

Bl00dy accountants......
Is anything sacred and yes, it’s those meddling accountants. **** them all!
 

bigbob

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Never mind the ban on ice, what about this:

"Ferrari will share more details on its plans during a capital markets day next year. It will also begin sales of its first-ever SUV, the Purosangue, in 2022 -- years after Bentley’s Bentayga and Lamborghini’s Urus came to market."

Bl00dy accountants......
Nothing to do with accountants, the customers want them and given the success of the Urus, Ferrari don't want to be left behind. The thing is that the 'normal' cars they make are just getting so fast that punters want something they can get the family in but still outperforms, say, an F430. Basically a Cayenne Turbo on drugs.
 

Phil H

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I was passing a primary school at chucking out time recently, and the mums driving SUV's to keep the little ones safe were parking on double yellows and creating a kill zone!

When Maserati entered the diesel market I said they needed to decide what they want the brand to be as they seemed to be losing their way, and I'd now say the same about Ferrari as they enter the SUV market; would Enzo have approved?
 

bigbob

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I was passing a primary school at chucking out time recently, and the mums driving SUV's to keep the little ones safe were parking on double yellows and creating a kill zone!

When Maserati entered the diesel market I said they needed to decide what they want the brand to be as they seemed to be losing their way, and I'd now say the same about Ferrari as they enter the SUV market; would Enzo have approved?
Agree on the former, we are all two faced to varying degrees. As for the latter RACE is listed on NYSE and investors want returns.
 

Guy

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Italy seeks exemptions as Brussels guns for its high octane supercars
Italy wants more time for luxury brands like Maserati, Ferrari and Lamborghini to go electric

ByNick Squires ROME and Jack Parrock BRUSSELS6 September 2021 • 6:19pm

Italy has asked the EU to allow it to keep producing combustion engines for its famed supercars.
The EU has proposed laws that would require all cars sold from 2035 to produce zero emissions, effectively banning the engines that produce the throaty roar of Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Maseratis.
But Rome has now asked the bloc for an exception to the net zero proposals, arguing the vehicles are a special category that should not be subject to the restrictions.
“In the gigantic cars market there is a niche, and there are ongoing discussions with the EU Commission,” Roberto Cingolani, Italy’s minister for ecological transition, said in an interview with Bloomberg.
“We are discussing with other partners in Europe and I am convinced there will be not be a problem” to have exemptions, said the minister, a former non-executive director at Ferrari.
The likes of Ferrari and Maserati account for just a fraction of the market and it is unfair that they should be held to the same standards as automobile giants that produce millions of cars, Italy argues.
But an EU Commission spokesperson said that he was “not aware of any such talks” over a carve-out for Italian supercars.
“The proposal to reduce emissions by 100% in new cars by 2035 will apply to all automobile manufacturers.”

The Eu have denied knowledge of any such talks taking place
In July, the European Commission launched a sweeping proposal for emissions reduction legislation which it branded “Fit for 55” in reference to hitting a 55 per cent drop in carbon going into the atmosphere by 2030.
The aim is to reduce the current emissions allowance of 95g of carbon per kilometre driven, by 55 per cent in 2030, and to zero by 2035.
Currently, it is just a proposal and it would have to be accepted by all EU member states and the European Parliament to become law.
Last year Ferrari sold just over 9,100 cars around the world, with half of them sold within the EU. Lamborghini sold about 7,400 around the world.
“Ferrari is planning the launch of their first electric car in 2025, but any intervention that gives more flexibility or extends the timeframe for the transition to electric would be a positive thing,” said Equita, an industry consultancy.
A spokesman for Ferrari, based in Maranello in northern Italy, declined to comment on the minister’s comments.
 

dickygrace

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Where will they go if they aren’t given exemption? Anyone fancy doing the maths on the percentage of the world’s CO2 emissions produced by new Italian supercars? I’d hazard a guess it’s <0.0001%.
 

dickygrace

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I’m sure the U.K. would be happy to have all the production over here. Maybe Brexit might have a benefit there.
 

Felonious Crud

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Where will they go if they aren’t given exemption? Anyone fancy doing the maths on the percentage of the world’s CO2 emissions produced by new Italian supercars? I’d hazard a guess it’s <0.0001%.
Agreed, negligible.

Better to ban bitcoin and for us all to stop buying **** off Amazon that needs shipping halfway around the planet in filth-bleching ships.
 

Wack61

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I'm just parked up at burtonwood services , Tesla's are rolling in , only room for one more then you're queueing.

They've had their 2 weeks of glory, now they're back to being a pain in the **** again

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davy83

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Well what they don't tell you in this article I notice is whether they are worse than the non-hybrid versions? I mean ok the manufacturers are using the accepted measurements to make their cars look better but fuel consumption figures have always been like this, I mean my Yeti was the only car I have ever owned that came even close to the published fuel consumption figures, all the rest were miles off. The real question is are they still more efficient than non-hybrid cars, that would be the important question. But pragmatism does not sell magazines and newspapers so that's never going to be in that article.
 

Vince2

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Don’t know if it’s true but I heard that some motorway service stations have diesel powered generators specially installed to power the electric charge points! What a farce!
 

Oneball

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Don’t know if it’s true but I heard that some motorway service stations have diesel powered generators specially installed to power the electric charge points! What a farce!

Bound to be Facebook ********. A service station already has an electric supply so there’d be no need for a generator. We often have to use big diesel generators at work where no supply is available and the costs are astronomical.