MC 20 Engine Teaser

Twinspark · Jul 1, 2020

conaero said:
So from what I read it’s a 100% Modena designed and made V6 based on the QV/Fez lump (stay with me) so basically new heads.

The only confusing bit if that is the case is it’s dropped from 3.8 to 3.0 which screams an S variant back up to 3.x at a later date.

It’s all good news so we should embrace it...it’s what we have all been harping on about for years.

Or the engine will remain at 3.0 both the addition of electrification of the front axel giving torque vectoring and basically a 4WD.

By my maths that’s found to add up to circa 750hp.

It sounds great.

FCA has announced this 750HP mid engine supercar as the Alfa Romeo 8C, then sometime last year the new CEO canceled a lot of Alfas plans but the stillborn 8C was shifted to Maserati which is now the MC20.

merak1974 · Jul 2, 2020

Twinspark said:
FCA has announced this 750HP mid engine supercar as the Alfa Romeo 8C, then sometime last year the new CEO canceled a lot of Alfas plans but the stillborn 8C was shifted to Maserati which is now the MC20.

Which may well be a good idea from a corporate strategy point of view...

MrMickS · Jul 2, 2020

GeoffCapes said:
Dry sump. Are they taking it racing?

They are taking it racing. With the power output of the engine and a mid-engined layout I'd expect it to make an appearance at LeMans.

Chrisb2015 said:
The eight already exists in the Levante and formerly the QP GTS. We will have a Ghibli GTS with the same engine later this year. I am quite excited about the prospect of an eight cylinder 530+ BHP rear wheel drive Ghibli....

I'd rather have this engine in the Ghibli than the V8. More power, same peak torque, and lighter, the Ghibli doesn't need any extra weight, what's not to like.

MrMickS · Jul 2, 2020

Phil H said:
I'm quite happy with my 6 pot, although another 230 horses would certainly be interesting. The new car does sound promising, but no matter how good it looks or how well it goes there's still the thorny issue of pricing.

PH

Base price will be higher than the GT but lower than the bottom end Ferrari. So expect something around the £160k mark.

This price will probably upset people on here in the same way that the 4C and Giulia QV pricing upset people on Alfa forums. If they can make a profit and sell them at that price why shouldn't they? This is a halo car, the new GT should come in below it but still won't be cheap. If you want something "affordable" with a Trident it's going to have four doors.

GeoffCapes · Jul 2, 2020

MrMickS said:
They are taking it racing. With the power output of the engine and a mid-engined layout I'd expect it to make an appearance at LeMans.

Wouldn't that be something!

safrane · Jul 2, 2020

MrMickS said:
Base price will be higher than the GT but lower than the bottom end Ferrari. So expect something around the £160k mark.

This price will probably upset people on here in the same way that the 4C and Giulia QV pricing upset people on Alfa forums. If they can make a profit and sell them at that price why shouldn't they? This is a halo car, the new GT should come in below it but still won't be cheap. If you want something "affordable" with a Trident it's going to have four doors.

Boooo!

bigbob · Jul 2, 2020

MrMickS said:
Base price will be higher than the GT but lower than the bottom end Ferrari. So expect something around the £160k mark.

This price will probably upset people on here in the same way that the 4C and Giulia QV pricing upset people on Alfa forums. If they can make a profit and sell them at that price why shouldn't they? This is a halo car, the new GT should come in below it but still won't be cheap. If you want something "affordable" with a Trident it's going to have four doors.

Makes sense. I've no interest in spending £160k on a car but it was never going to be <£100k where I would be shopping so best of luck to them. I presuming something like £120k for the new GranTurismo looking at where 850i/M8/DB11 etc pricing is. Trouble is these cars list prices are just the start before the massive pre-reg discounting, finance offers start. People won't buy the GranTurismo at £120-130k with toys, £5k off and then a 7% APR PCP. They want a better deal than that and that's before Covid.

MrMickS · Jul 8, 2020

bigbob said:
Makes sense. I've no interest in spending £160k on a car but it was never going to be <£100k where I would be shopping so best of luck to them. I presuming something like £120k for the new GranTurismo looking at where 850i/M8/DB11 etc pricing is. Trouble is these cars list prices are just the start before the massive pre-reg discounting, finance offers start. People won't buy the GranTurismo at £120-130k with toys, £5k off and then a 7% APR PCP. They want a better deal than that and that's before Covid.

Demand is going to depend on what Maserati are prepared to do as far as guaranteed future values and what this makes the monthly cost come out as. McLaren appear to be providing crazy GFVs at the moment which means you can pick them up relatively cheaply, though that's not really something Maserati want to follow as it puts any potential negative equity burden on them rather than the owner. In the short term this gets cars out there but is a potential long term risk.

I can't see them holding their value like a Ferrari does so it could be a few years before second hand ones drop down into my price range. Oh well, FFs are starting to look very tempting once we see where the economy is going in the new year.

Ewan · Jul 8, 2020

I think we all know where the UK economy is going in the new year! Covid, Brexit, 4 million unemployed, an additional 100 Billion of debt added to nations overdraft, etc. It’s going to get very ugly.

Swedish Paul · Jul 8, 2020

Maybe if they offer 7 years free servicing like Ferrari. I see Ferrari’s drop off in value somewhat one the 7 year honeymoon is over.

Hawk13 · Jul 8, 2020

Swedish Paul said:
Maybe if they offer 7 years free servicing like Ferrari. I see Ferrari’s drop off in value somewhat one the 7 year honeymoon is over.

I think it is going to need a whole load more than that.

If we are looking at a 200k price tag and 50% depreciation in the first 3 years (which is a **** site better than any other Maser has managed in recent years!), punters are going to be expected to put down 50k and pay 1500 a month.

Can't see many willing to take that gamble.

Wattie · Jul 8, 2020

Ewan said:
I think we all know where the UK economy is going in the new year! Covid, Brexit, 4 million unemployed, an additional 100 Billion of debt added to nations overdraft, etc. It’s going to get very ugly.

Dare I say it

D Walker · Jul 8, 2020

Wattie said:
Dare I say it

Told you so......

Ewan · Jul 8, 2020

Hawk13 said:
If we are looking at a 200k price tag and 50% depreciation in the first 3 years (which is a **** site better than any other Maser has managed in recent years!), punters are going to be expected to put down 50k and pay 1500 a month. Can't see many willing to take that gamble.

I don't think it'll be £200k. That's Ferrari money. I suspect/hope it'll be closer to two-thirds of that.
At 9 years old, my Strad has now hit about the 50% deprecation mark (as it was about £110k when new back in 2011 and is now worth somewhere around the £55k mark). After only 3 years the depreciation was less, naturally.
So, if we assume a lower asking price and less depreciation, the sums may yet work.
(Oh for the beauty of Maserati-Man Maths!!!)

bigbob · Jul 10, 2020

MrMickS said:
Demand is going to depend on what Maserati are prepared to do as far as guaranteed future values and what this makes the monthly cost come out as. McLaren appear to be providing crazy GFVs at the moment which means you can pick them up relatively cheaply, though that's not really something Maserati want to follow as it puts any potential negative equity burden on them rather than the owner. In the short term this gets cars out there but is a potential long term risk.

I can't see them holding their value like a Ferrari does so it could be a few years before second hand ones drop down into my price range. Oh well, FFs are starting to look very tempting once we see where the economy is going in the new year.

It will be interesting to watch, the residuals on GranTurismos have actually been very strong. Ferrari residuals are not great. If you had paid £240k for a 488 which retails at £165/70k at three years old and take in the typical Ferrari £25k used car margin and you have dropped £95/100k in three years. The retained value is 58/60% which sounds ok but it's the cash cost that hurts as they have aggressively moved prices up over the last two decades - a 355 started at under £100k. Food for thought............

PS This is what Maser is up against - pre reg 570 McLaren for £120k:

https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/11233018-1342351-mc-laren-570-v8-2dr-ssg-auto/

StuartW · Jul 10, 2020

Ewan said:
I don't think it'll be £200k. That's Ferrari money. I suspect/hope it'll be closer to two-thirds of that.
At 9 years old, my Strad has now hit about the 50% deprecation mark (as it was about £110k when new back in 2011 and is now worth somewhere around the £55k mark). After only 3 years the depreciation was less, naturally.
So, if we assume a lower asking price and less depreciation, the sums may yet work.
(Oh for the beauty of Maserati-Man Maths!!!)

Love your thinking Ewan!

Goodfella · Jul 10, 2020

bigbob said:
It will be interesting to watch, the residuals on GranTurismos have actually been very strong. Ferrari residuals are not great. If you had paid £240k for a 488 which retails at £165/70k at three years old and take in the typical Ferrari £25k used car margin and you have dropped £95/100k in three years. The retained value is 58/60% which sounds ok but it's the cash cost that hurts as they have aggressively moved prices up over the last two decades - a 355 started at under £100k. Food for thought............

PS This is what Maser is up against - pre reg 570 McLaren for £120k:

https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/11233018-1342351-mc-laren-570-v8-2dr-ssg-auto/

That McLaren is amazing.. Judging by that people asking £90-100K for 10 year old Gallardo's appear to be in LaLa land!

Wattie · Jul 10, 2020

bigbob said:
It will be interesting to watch, the residuals on GranTurismos have actually been very strong. Ferrari residuals are not great. If you had paid £240k for a 488 which retails at £165/70k at three years old and take in the typical Ferrari £25k used car margin and you have dropped £95/100k in three years. The retained value is 58/60% which sounds ok but it's the cash cost that hurts as they have aggressively moved prices up over the last two decades - a 355 started at under £100k. Food for thought............

PS This is what Maser is up against - pre reg 570 McLaren for £120k:

https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/11233018-1342351-mc-laren-570-v8-2dr-ssg-auto/

Does anyone take this car as an investment seriously anymore?
I think we all know there Are very few That hold their value - let alone gain.
It has to be unique, incredibly expensive to start with and it certainly doesn’t have “Maserati” in front of it.
Fortunately, where I think “Maserati” (we) are lucky, is that they have reached out and touched a select few who understand the “magic” that owning one brings. The uniqueness.
99% of buyers don’t buy one as an investment. They buy because, firstly- they’re petrol heads, secondly- we’re different, thirdly- if you’re like me, you never ever thought you’d be able to afford one!
Fourth- once you drive one of the old 4.7’s it totally changes your perception of what’s important in a car.
And you never get over the experience.

safrane · Jul 10, 2020

Massers only go up in value (not c£1k increases etc) when rhey are 60/70 years old and produced in less than three fig numbers.

Chrisb2015 · Jul 10, 2020

Ewan said:
I don't think it'll be £200k. That's Ferrari money. I suspect/hope it'll be closer to two-thirds of that.
At 9 years old, my Strad has now hit about the 50% deprecation mark (as it was about £110k when new back in 2011 and is now worth somewhere around the £55k mark). After only 3 years the depreciation was less, naturally.
So, if we assume a lower asking price and less depreciation, the sums may yet work.
(Oh for the beauty of Maserati-Man Maths!!!)

It won’t be though. All the dealers I have spoke to have said expect £200k with options, which isn’t Ferrari money in reality. One suggested a potential £160k staring price. The £120k you are hoping for will be the new GT, which will have a lower asking price than the MC20

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