Electric Cars

Felonious Crud

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Yes, that would be good functionality

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Agreed or just ban Wattie and it'll soon drop off. But he will claim that his democratic rights will have been violated...

For a while I persisted, arguing to myself that not only did it broaden my perspective but also would help improve my tolerance of and enjoyment of handling conflict. Then I realised that it's just the same ****, over and over and over again.

Anyhoo, in a most un-SM like return to thread, we don't actually need two cars. Mine is wholly unnecessary plus we have a Fiat 500 which serves fine for much of what we need. I'm sorely tempted to replace it with something just a bit bigger because it's a squeeze if we're going somewhere with the olds. I've contemplated an electric or hybrid car but can't justify the excess cost when I do a maximum of 3-4k miles per year. A Golf or 3-sized Audi would likely cost less both financially and environmentally over the term of ownership.

My boat is so far unfloated by automative electrickery.
 

midlifecrisis

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Just got an email from Central Car Leasing for a Tesla 3 lease for 24 months with a maximum of 8000 Miles Per annum , with an Initial Rental, £6000.00 inc vat 23 x Monthly Rental @8kpa= £294

A similar Ford Focus Hatchback 1.0 Ecoboost 125 ST-Line Nav 5dr Initial Rental£2,400.00 inc VAT 3 Months @£174.16 inc VAT per Month Annual Mileage 8,000,

I don't think we're ready yet for EV but there will be a tipping point soon...
 

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My bro recently acquire an Jag ipace - 8K down and 800 per month for 4 years - 13K miles/year. Does 200 miles to a full charge. Take 14 hours to fully charge on the charger he had installed at home. Says it's costing 7p a mile in electicity. Fine for doing the journey he does - 100 miles each way to work once a week with the ability to charge at work since there are very few other cars competing for the charging points). I'll be interested in his experience when he has to go somehere unknown (eg his daughters forthcoming graduation...) or how it behaves in the depths of winter.
For the moment he's smitten though. 0-60 in under 5 sec. 400bhp and more than 500 torques.
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midlifecrisis

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My bro recently acquire an Jag ipace - 8K down and 800 per month for 4 years - 13K miles/year. Does 200 miles to a full charge. Take 14 hours to fully charge on the charger he had installed at home. Says it's costing 7p a mile in electicity. Fine for doing the journey he does - 100 miles each way to work once a week with the ability to charge at work since there are very few other cars competing for the charging points). I'll be interested in his experience when he has to go somehere unknown (eg his daughters forthcoming graduation...) or how it behaves in the depths of winter.
For the moment he's smitten though. 0-60 in under 5 sec. 400bhp and more than 500 torques.
Eb
They'll only come down in price... But a little rich for me at the moment. Give it a couple of years
 

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That is in florida and was apparently caused by the GTR at high speed, Lad driving the GTR is yotuber/vlogger Greg Ferraira.
 

Hurricane52

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Harry’s Garage has a new film about Harry travelling to London in an expensive Jaguar iPace.

It’s quite an eye opener. I kept thinking that’s with a brand new car/battery. What will it be like in a few years time?

My first electric toothbrush lasted at least a decade and its replacement is two years old now and really struggles to hold its charge. Technology may be advancing, but products seem to be getting worse.
 

Oneball

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Harry’s Garage has a new film about Harry travelling to London in an expensive Jaguar iPace.

It’s quite an eye opener. I kept thinking that’s with a brand new car/battery. What will it be like in a few years time?

My first electric toothbrush lasted at least a decade and its replacement is two years old now and really struggles to hold its charge. Technology may be advancing, but products seem to be getting worse.

Built in obsolescence, King Camp Gillette (yep that really was his name) came up with it over 100 years ago.

The big thing I was surprised about on that video was how dire the charging network is.
 

CatmanV2

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Built in obsolescence, King Camp Gillette (yep that really was his name) came up with it over 100 years ago.

Hmm interesting. Not sure I'd have called that planned obsolescence. Razor blade marketing, obviously, but that hadn't occurred.

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Oneball

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Hmm interesting. Not sure I'd have called that planned obsolescence. Razor blade marketing, obviously, but that hadn't occurred.

C

His version of the safety razor had a very thin blade that couldn’t be sharpened so would wear out quickly and need to be replaced. It was the only blade that could be used with his handle which was expensive so you were tied into Gillette.
 

CatmanV2

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His version of the safety razor had a very thin blade that couldn’t be sharpened so would wear out quickly and need to be replaced. It was the only blade that could be used with his handle which was expensive so you were tied into Gillette.

Oh yes, I get that. And selling the handles at a loss and making the profit on the blades is the very definition of razor blade marketing. But still doesn't really feel like planned obsolescence. More that they're dealing with the issue of the patents expiring by creating new / better products....

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Built in obsolescence, King Camp Gillette (yep that really was his name) came up with it over 100 years ago.

The big thing I was surprised about on that video was how dire the charging network is.

Indeed, and the different types of plug too.
 

safrane

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Ideal as a shopping car... but at some cost (as he states in the vid).

I also think the battery life (not charge) will be the future diesel gate.
 

Oneball

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Oh yes, I get that. And selling the handles at a loss and making the profit on the blades is the very definition of razor blade marketing. But still doesn't really feel like planned obsolescence. More that they're dealing with the issue of the patents expiring by creating new / better products....

C

The way I thought of it, is that he was the first person to specifically design something to fail.
 

CatmanV2

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The way I thought of it, is that he was the first person to specifically design something to fail.

I don't think he did. The patent expiring wasn't failure, it was just something he had to deal with. Unless you're referring to the blades, in which case that just sounds like a great cost / benefit experiment.

If he'd built a razor and then stopped making blades for it 5 years later, that I would class as planned obsolescence, but....

https://www.edwinjagger.co.uk/gillette-platinum-de-razor-blades.html

So they are not obsolete in what I would call the meaning of the word, but they are out of date....

But I am not an expert!

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Oneball

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It’s just the blades I’m referring to. I know he had all sorts of malarkey with patents. But his disposable blades were the real trick that people hadn’t thought of.

Planned obsolescence can be either out of fashion, out of use or worn out. Light bulbs is another example. Originally the filament would pretty much last for ever. But it was soon realised they were doing themselves out of business so they made the filament so it’d fail.
 

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So extrapolating this razor blade marketing thing. Does that mean Jaguar are taking a hit on the car for only £70-90k and will be making their money on selling the poor hapless owner new batteries on a monthly subscription basis?

Not sure there’ll be enough money or patience left in the country to sustain this business model.