SportsItalia Stradale Remap

Sam McGoo

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Apparantly it revs another 500rpm,

That explains the big jump in power for an NA engine then, which is fine, and I'd love to hear one screaming at 8000rpm! :eek:

The real world difference will need to be felt lower down though, which you say it does, so that's good.

So, have you got a Dyno run booked yet?
 

Chrisb2015

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That explains the big jump in power for an NA engine then, which is fine, and I'd love to hear one screaming at 8000rpm! :eek:

The real world difference will need to be felt lower down though, which you say it does, so that's good.

So, have you got a Dyno run booked yet?
Exactly. Raising the rev limiter when remapping will always show a power gain. The real trick is the gain under the power curve
 

conaero

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So I took it to Ace and my thoughts were muted as due to the failed abs hub and greasy roads I only played in the mid rev range and didn’t feel any difference so thought hum, can’t sell this.

On the way back I was feeling a bit brave and gave it the beans and yes, definitely more drama happened.

I will have to do some more testing but it appears the power is there when you work it hard and not lower down the rev range under moderate driving as I was expecting.

I was assuming the rev range had been raised but was hanging on and fixed glaze out of the windscreen.

More to follow.
 

Zep

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You only get more power from raising the rev limit if the inlet, exhaust and heads will do the flow. Which I suspect in this case they will.

I agree, hearing it scream will be epic!
 

midlifecrisis

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You only get more power from raising the rev limit if the inlet, exhaust and heads will do the flow. Which I suspect in this case they will.

I agree, hearing it scream will be epic!
Sticking a 100mm drain pipe intake a la Cerberati might do the trick...
 

giorgio01

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You'd have to change the throttle body as well as the om is 84mm from the top of my head so 100mm pipe alone won't make any difference.
 

Gazcw

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Sticking a 100mm drain pipe intake a la Cerberati might do the trick...
I had a bit of a Google search at the weekend and most of throttle body changes from 85/90mm to 103mm with intake upgrades also, gave on average 20bhp more and increased Nm on the before and after dyno runs.
 

Cyclone1

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I’ve been following this thread with interest, more so on eventually validating the potential gains.

I was involved heavily in remapping another NA engine around 16/17 years ago. This was the TVR Cerbera AJP 4.5 V8. On paper it should have produced 420bhp, but when we tested a number of these the output varied from 325-360bhp. With a relatively lightweight 1250kg the car was still stupidly fast so not many owners really questioned the power.

However, my actual car at the time put out 339bhp and 339lb/ft. After an incredible amount of R&D or trial and error, plus dyno time, we achieved 420bhp. To do this we did the following:

Removed the original MBE ECU and replaced with a standalone Emerald ECU to allow easier mapping. This alone took us to 385bhp / 353lb/ft. The same later proved achievable on the standard ECU.

Inverted the air box to create a greater
Volumetric area and redesigned the OEM foam filter, creating a filter that was “egg box” in appearance compared to a flat surface (to create more contact surface area) and with the correct PPI rating. I had a good contact at the time who was able to manufacture them for me. 390/357

Next was the game changer and hardest from an R&D perspective, work was already underway prior to me being involved but the timing was right. This was to change the existing 8 Long over lapping purple induction hoses and replace them with shorter none overlapping hoses. As the hoses were offset and of a set diameter at both ends, then designing the correct hoses was a challenge, however I had some brilliant at the time software support (mainly for fluid flow, but applicable for gas flow), so was able to design the hose to perfection and then have them put into production. Once done and with further mapping we saw 406bhp/355lb/ft

Next was to introduce linked decat pipes (similar to a H pipe), with mapping this took us to 410/365

Final change was to a larger bore exhaust and we also removed and refaced / tidied the manifolds. With mapping the magic 420bhp was achieved!!!

It took hours upon hours of R&D and testing for each stage. The original MBE map for these cars was poor and the power delivery famous for its “camel hump” delivery (easily seen on the power graphs). This erratic delivery was removed once the short induction was fitted. As all the engines were handbuilt to differing levels of quality, but all pretty much had the same original map, then it’s easy to see why the power outputs varied massively, despite being well below quoted.

Sorry for the ramble.

Back on topic then my point is that I am sure that there could well be a very decent gain to be had on the Maserati 4.7 (and 4.2). Most common quote is that NA will only gain 10% max and in many cases this is correct. But it’s not until you understand the original software that you can calculate if the existing map is optimal or in some cases sub optimal which allows for power gains.

Will continue to follow with interest and whether the gains are 40bhp or 90bhp it will be well worth it…..
 

KebabKebab

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For me as well. I need to keep up with the Stradlads, which means headers, primary de-cat and a re-map.

so complete guess:
headers 2K to 3k fitted
primary decat/sports cat 2k fitted
remap £1.2K

6k.....thats a lot of money! But I guess it depends on what kind of power that returns

edit: I was talking about Strad - realised you are talking about an Aston!
 

Ewan

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AM Vantage V12 S has about 115bhp more than a Strad, beats it to 60 by nearly a second, and has a higher top speed (by about 25mph). So it’s safe to say the AM is quicker. Though it was a fair bit more expensive than the Maserati, so you had to pay for this extra performance.
 

Felonious Crud

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AM Vantage V12 S has about 115bhp more than a Strad, beats it to 60 by nearly a second, and has a higher top speed (by about 25mph). So it’s safe to say the AM is quicker. Though it was a fair bit more expensive than the Maserati, so you had to pay for this extra performance.
The Strad appears to have the edge until about 40, as far as @Zep and I could tell. After that some traffic lights happened.
 
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