Are you worried yet.

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D Walker

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I’m concerned by the language used.
The maximum penalty shows how serious this crime is and the is warranted.. 10 years for lying.
carry firearms currently 7 years I believe..
 

Swedish Paul

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Where do you draw that particular line?

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I don’t think you should draw a line. I know it’s a contentious subject, but as a visitor to the UK, if you don’t want the vaccine, don’t come. There’s enough dead already and whilst it may not make a huge difference, every little helps. I’m coming back to help look after my dying step-mum in a few days. I certainly wouldn’t have an issue.
 

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I don’t think you should draw a line. I know it’s a contentious subject, but as a visitor to the UK, if you don’t want the vaccine, don’t come. There’s enough dead already and whilst it may not make a huge difference, every little helps. I’m coming back to help look after my dying step-mum in a few days. I certainly wouldn’t have an issue.

Well three things:
  1. It's British Nationals not just visitors that have to quarantine. Not even sure visitors are allowed in.
  2. What other medical treatments / behaviours do you then go on to make compulsory? Measles vaccine? Seems fair. HPV vaccine? Yeah, not such a bad shout. Ban smoking? Ban alchohol which kills thousands. Ban being overweight? Great indicator of heart disease which is the single biggest killer....
  3. As said up there, vaccinating people at the border means others in potentially higher priority groups, and therefore more vulnerable will be bumped back

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In countries where the pandemic is unchecked, many cases, variants (mutations) will occur naturally.

The UK is managing to undertake a very comprehensive vaccination program and the virus will be greatly controlled and ever more so. Now when it is ‘managed’ and fewer cases are occurring the likelihood of a variant occurring fall to an exceptionally low possibility.

So if some burk brings a variant in and lies about their travels, the variant gets a hold and into the community, the variant is resistant to the vaccine and now the UK has to return to lockdown measures again... If one person dies of the variant let alone thousands; is it not manslaughter? Murder even? It could cost the UK many billions. 10 years is pretty meaningless against that.

I come home to Jeanette listening to the PM and the others briefing; the BBC pick up on him not answering a question about if he has booked a holiday this year! Then they asked everyone else they interviewed! Like it bloody matters, I just want to get out of lockdown so I can drive my car, paddle my kayak and go and see my mother!
 

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10 years is fair enough. It’s not for lying it’s for introducing a pathogen that could kill thousands.
My point was more that other crimes are not considered as serious/ warrant similar penalty.
I.e. carrying weapons
Some sexual offences including those where children are involved
 

Swedish Paul

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Well three things:
  1. It's British Nationals not just visitors that have to quarantine. Not even sure visitors are allowed in.
  2. What other medical treatments / behaviours do you then go on to make compulsory? Measles vaccine? Seems fair. HPV vaccine? Yeah, not such a bad shout. Ban smoking? Ban alchohol which kills thousands. Ban being overweight? Great indicator of heart disease which is the single biggest killer....
  3. As said up there, vaccinating people at the border means others in potentially higher priority groups, and therefore more vulnerable will be bumped back

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Yep, visitors are allowed except for the red countries I believe.

And I actually do think they should ban smoking....

One thing I am interested to know, the UK now has so many vaccination centres, are the manufacturers producing more vaccines than can be administered now? And whilst the job that is happening now is certainly impressive, do we need even more.



Whoever is organizing it all, they probably deserve a medal.
 

CatmanV2

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And I actually do think they should ban smoking....

Well, **** of an impact on the exchequer, but then what next? V8s ;)

By which I mean that I don't disagree, but there are loads of things that other people think should be banned. Many of which I rather enjoy. Booze being one of them. That would save 10,000 lives per year plus masses of NHS treatment costs.
Eating unhealthy food is up there as well. Except the carbon footprint and the 30k deaths caused by obesity <shrug>

Whoever is organizing it all, they probably deserve a medal.

Hopefully there will be some kind of honour. I have no idea about the production levels.

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What amazes me is why nobody has suggested mandatory vaccination when you arrive. Refuse, get put back the a plane from where you departed.
You could possibly end up with people just flying into the U K for the mandatory vaccination. If it wasn’t readily available in their own country. Dafter things have happened !.
 

Saigon

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One thing I am interested to know, the UK now has so many vaccination centres, are the manufacturers producing more vaccines than can be administered now? And whilst the job that is happening now is certainly impressive, do we need even more.
It’s not clear if you are asking do we need more vaccination centers or more vaccine. But there is a shortage in vaccine I believe. Demand is higher than the availability at present.
 

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In countries where the pandemic is unchecked, many cases, variants (mutations) will occur naturally.

The UK is managing to undertake a very comprehensive vaccination program and the virus will be greatly controlled and ever more so. Now when it is ‘managed’ and fewer cases are occurring the likelihood of a variant occurring fall to an exceptionally low possibility.

So if some burk brings a variant in and lies about their travels, the variant gets a hold and into the community, the variant is resistant to the vaccine and now the UK has to return to lockdown measures again... If one person dies of the variant let alone thousands; is it not manslaughter? Murder even? It could cost the UK many billions. 10 years is pretty meaningless against that.

I come home to Jeanette listening to the PM and the others briefing; the BBC pick up on him not answering a question about if he has booked a holiday this year! Then they asked everyone else they interviewed! Like it bloody matters, I just want to get out of lockdown so I can drive my car, paddle my kayak and go and see my mother!
The 10 days quarantine is probably inadequate.
Australia’s had cases recently where people went home after their ten days and then fell ill.
Also numerous cases of hotel workers/security testing positive as well- some having complied completely with the working regs.
Seems they’re investigating hotel air conditioning/ ventilation systems.
 

CatmanV2

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Good news feed for the damy:

Small studies but two more drugs (Allocetra and Pulmicort) are showing significant benefits in treatment of COVID. That's three in a week.
And of course the vaccination program continues apace.
WHO has also stated that not only is the Oxford jab safe for the over 65s, saying there is good evidence that there is significant protection to that group but the immune response is better if the second dose is 'delayed' between 4-12 weeks, with between 8-12 weeks the best time.

Good job I'm not some kind of conspiracy theorist.

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A fit (windsurfs, waterskies, cyles, etc) mid/late 50's friend had Covid badly last spring needing hospitalisation and oxygen. He was still complaining of chest pains in the autumn - eventually he got some tests which revealed blocked arteries. That explains why he got so poorly as he had an unknown underlying health condition. You could argue had it not been for Covid he was fast heading for a heart attack, etc.
 

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A fit (windsurfs, waterskies, cyles, etc) mid/late 50's friend had Covid badly last spring needing hospitalisation and oxygen. He was still complaining of chest pains in the autumn - eventually he got some tests which revealed blocked arteries. That explains why he got so poorly as he had an unknown underlying health condition. You could argue had it not been for Covid he was fast heading for a heart attack, etc.
Covid has probably raised peoples general hygiene too. How many people have had a cold or flu this winter? I certainly haven't.
 

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Whilst I'm not scared nor worried, this seemed the best thread for this comment...

09:05 and a Govt Minister has already proven it's one rule for them, another for the public.

Grants Schapps - Public should not book holidays in the UK or abroad. Not yet.

Matt Hancock - It is a matter of fact, that I have booked my summer holiday to Cornwall.

Prat
 

CatmanV2

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Covid has probably raised peoples general hygiene too. How many people have had a cold or flu this winter? I certainly haven't.

My sister is a nursery carer. She says she's never seen anything like it. None of the kids have sniffles. I mentioned this a while back. I believe the official stats for 'flu are through the floor as well

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