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Wattie

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If the current state of locking down things due to the number of “+ve tests” is maintained does anyone really think normality will be returned to normal within the next umpteen years?

Surely it makes more sense to lock down and isolate the vulnerable (3% or so) and let everyone else get on with life.
 

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If the current state of locking down things due to the number of “+ve tests” is maintained does anyone really think normality will be returned to normal within the next umpteen years?

Surely it makes more sense to lock down and isolate the vulnerable (3% or so) and let everyone else get on with life.
Maybe, maybe not. But it would be irresponsible of any government to throw caution to the wind. I understand your point of view, but now folks are being vaccinated, why keep up with this point of view. Let it ride. And don’t antagonize.
 

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If the current state of locking down things due to the number of “+ve tests” is maintained does anyone really think normality will be returned to normal within the next umpteen years?

Surely it makes more sense to lock down and isolate the vulnerable (3% or so) and let everyone else get on with life.

It’s not clear to me how this would work. Do we create a ghetto for the vulnerable to live in? Or do they have to stay in their homes and never be visited by their non-vulnerable relatives who are “getting on with their lives”? Do we have special shops where they can get their food, also manned by the vulnerable, where deliveries are made through some sort of disinfection process? Will these shops be located away from areas where people are “getting on with their lives” to ensure that they don’t have any risk?

I feel like I am missing something, so feel free to explain it.
 

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It’s not clear to me how this would work. Do we create a ghetto for the vulnerable to live in? Or do they have to stay in their homes and never be visited by their non-vulnerable relatives who are “getting on with their lives”? Do we have special shops where they can get their food, also manned by the vulnerable, where deliveries are made through some sort of disinfection process? Will these shops be located away from areas where people are “getting on with their lives” to ensure that they don’t have any risk?

I feel like I am missing something, so feel free to explain it.
When witherspooins reopen, all folks will be able to get their food, sanitized with a free pint. Win win.

For ***** sake, how did it come to this...
 

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For * sake, how did it come to this...
Have you been in a coma?
Well, it started off like this, a man in China bought a bat and chips for his post pub crawl meal. The bat had flu. The man got really bad flu and sneezed on some other people, who spread the flu all round the world. This was called Chinese flu. Then the British being smarter than everyone else improved the Chinese flu. This became the English flu. It was especially developed so that the UK could test its Brexit border plans and preparations. This was a good idea, because it proved our fish would go off waiting at the port. So, the British Brexit negotiators pretended to relinquish some uk fishing rights to get a deal done. Ingenious strategy, develop our own flu, close the borders, test the system and give away some fish. Job done.
The next bit is really good, we’re inoculating 150k people a week, so with 65m people it’s only going to take about 10years to give everyone 1 jab...
And in a show of defiant unity the EU started inoculating everyone on the same day, apart from some Germans who started a day earlier, because they run the EU.
But the Danish are having the last laugh, they are developing mink flu, which makes you cough and go really really hairy.
I know all of the above to be true, because John down the pub, where I had a scotch egg for lunch told me. Yes, we are in Tier 2, but I’ll cover the Tiers in another update as I’ve just realised I can’t smell bullsh1t anymore....
 

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It’s not clear to me how this would work. Do we create a ghetto for the vulnerable to live in? Or do they have to stay in their homes and never be visited by their non-vulnerable relatives who are “getting on with their lives”? Do we have special shops where they can get their food, also manned by the vulnerable, where deliveries are made through some sort of disinfection process? Will these shops be located away from areas where people are “getting on with their lives” to ensure that they don’t have any risk?

I feel like I am missing something, so feel free to explain it.
Sure.
Many of the vulnerable are in care homes. They remain there and visiting areas are created- behind glass to ensure they’re protected.
Other vulnerable who aren’t in such have a choice. Wear all the ppe you feel you need and go out/ socially distance/ carry on as normal as possible or if u feel that is too dangerous stay at home.
Personal choice.
Relatives visiting can still be done- via windows if it’s considered too dangerous to go inside.
Bit like it is now really where they can’t see their grandkids etc

If this situation is that bad that we need special shops where things are disinfected then normal will never return.
No one could ever pick up anything again.
Wear your gloves/mask/ wash your hands/ wash your food if you’re that paranoid.

This thing is not going away- Pfizer ceo suggested 10 years plus a day or so ago.

For the huge majority it isn’t dangerous.

Maybe, maybe not. But it would be irresponsible of any government to throw caution to the wind. I understand your point of view, but now folks are being vaccinated, why keep up with this point of view. Let it ride. And don’t antagonize.

I’m not antagonizing any more than you are. We just have opposing views. I think it’s irresponsible that the government cure being handed out is far worse than the disease.
 

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Sure.
Many of the vulnerable are in care homes. They remain there and visiting areas are created- behind glass to ensure they’re protected.
Other vulnerable who aren’t in such have a choice. Wear all the ppe you feel you need and go out/ socially distance/ carry on as normal as possible or if u feel that is too dangerous stay at home.
Personal choice.
Relatives visiting can still be done- via windows if it’s considered too dangerous to go inside.
Bit like it is now really where they can’t see their grandkids etc

If this situation is that bad that we need special shops where things are disinfected then normal will never return.
No one could ever pick up anything again.
Wear your gloves/mask/ wash your hands/ wash your food if you’re that paranoid.

This thing is not going away- Pfizer ceo suggested 10 years plus a day or so ago.

For the huge majority it isn’t dangerous

So, pretty much as it is now then. Old people’s homes already have visiting arrangements, vulnerable people are already making their own choices regarding PPE and their activities.

What I don’t understand on that basis is why the hospitals are still filling up. Could it be that the choices people are making aren’t that good? Or is it, perhaps, that people other than the 3% still can get seriously ill and require hospital treatment?
 

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You can’t stop the hospitals filling up Zep- they were never created to deal with this.
Lockdowns don’t work.....hence hospitals filling up.
Trying to stop this is like holding back the tide.
 

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Have you been in a coma?
Well, it started off like this, a man in China bought a bat and chips for his post pub crawl meal. The bat had flu. The man got really bad flu and sneezed on some other people, who spread the flu all round the world. This was called Chinese flu. Then the British being smarter than everyone else improved the Chinese flu. This became the English flu. It was especially developed so that the UK could test its Brexit border plans and preparations. This was a good idea, because it proved our fish would go off waiting at the port. So, the British Brexit negotiators pretended to relinquish some uk fishing rights to get a deal done. Ingenious strategy, develop our own flu, close the borders, test the system and give away some fish. Job done.
The next bit is really good, we’re inoculating 150k people a week, so with 65m people it’s only going to take about 10years to give everyone 1 jab...
And in a show of defiant unity the EU started inoculating everyone on the same day, apart from some Germans who started a day earlier, because they run the EU.
But the Danish are having the last laugh, they are developing mink flu, which makes you cough and go really really hairy.
I know all of the above to be true, because John down the pub, where I had a scotch egg for lunch told me. Yes, we are in Tier 2, but I’ll cover the Tiers in another update as I’ve just realised I can’t smell bullsh1t anymore....

I think you may have made the bit up about the man eating bat and chips.

He had not been anywhere near a pub!
:eek::D
 

Zep

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You can’t stop the hospitals filling up Zep- they were never created to deal with this.
Lockdowns don’t work.....hence hospitals filling up.
Trying to stop this is like holding back the tide.

I don’t disagree. So if I understand it right, you are saying we should do what we are doing now in terms of vulnerable people, but end the lockdown.

Will this result in more or less hospital admissions than now? And as a result of this will more or less non-Covid hospital treatments be cancelled?
 

Wattie

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I don’t disagree. So if I understand it right, you are saying we should do what we are doing now in terms of vulnerable people, but end the lockdown.

Will this result in more or less hospital admissions than now? And as a result of this will more or less non-Covid hospital treatments be cancelled?
Yup, end the lockdown.
Let the 90%plus return to normal, each takes their own responsibility for their safety. Personal choice.

Hospital admissions, possibly up, for a while- hard to say, depends upon whether those vulnerable take the risks of exposure with appropriate measures for them.

Non Covid related illnesses have been affected from day 1, that won’t go away any time soon.

Mental illnesses, alcoholism, depression, domestic abuse, unemployment should all start to see improvements in the figures as things return to normal.

Someone is always affected but surely as long as the majority is fit and well that should be the objective, whilst providing the minority with the care and facilities they need as far as possible.
 

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My 84 year old mother in law was hospitalised 10 days ago with a fairly minor illness that required in patient treatment. Due to dementia she lives in a privately funded care home, I would add that she has no other medical conditions and has the constitution of an ox. Her care home have managed customer care above and beyond during this pandemic with a level of professionalism and genuine concern that is admirable and so far with a lossless record. After 3 days and 2 nights in hospital the care home required that the hospital perform a covid test prior to returning her to their care and this came back as +ve so she remained at the hospital. 2 days later we were informed that she had developed low oxygen levels in her blood and breathing difficulties. 5 days have passed and she is deteriorating.... so much for shielding and protecting the vulnerable if this is the outcome when hospital care is required.
 

Zep

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Yup, end the lockdown.
Let the 90%plus return to normal, each takes their own responsibility for their safety. Personal choice.

Hospital admissions, possibly up, for a while- hard to say, depends upon whether those vulnerable take the risks of exposure with appropriate measures for them.

Non Covid related illnesses have been affected from day 1, that won’t go away any time soon.

Mental illnesses, alcoholism, depression, domestic abuse, unemployment should all start to see improvements in the figures as things return to normal.

Someone is always affected but surely as long as the majority is fit and well that should be the objective, whilst providing the minority with the care and facilities they need as far as possible.

Hospital admissions will increase. If it exceeds capacity, which seems likely as we already have cancellations of non-Covid treatments, will this result in more deaths, not just in Covid patients. Is this ok with you?

With the greatest of respect, it seems like re-arranging the deckchairs on the deck of the Titanic. Trading one issue for another.

Some of the consequences you list are also personal choice. Are you suggesting that, for example, that vulnerable people should limit their lives so that a domestic abuser isn’t tempted to make the personal choice to abuse their partner / children? There are, in my view, quite a few false equivalents in your argument.
 

Wattie

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No easy answers I agree Zep but given the futility of trying to stop a mutating global airborne virus that kills less thats 4% I’d suggest that protecting the welfare and living conditions of the other 96% should be the priority.

You’re up early, you’ll be first on “the good morning” thread at this rate!
 

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I suspect once they get to a certain percentage of population vaccination, I think I’ve seen 20-30% quoted, restrictions will be able to be lifted. That’s assuming, the vaccines are effective against the mutated strains, which the scientists believe to be the case. I believe Government are doing the right things at the moment in terms of balancing all the priorities. No doubt, if this turns out not to be true, plans will have to change
 

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If the current state of locking down things due to the number of “+ve tests” is maintained does anyone really think normality will be returned to normal within the next umpteen years?

Surely it makes more sense to lock down and isolate the vulnerable (3% or so) and let everyone else get on with life.
Not sure it's quite as straight forward as that now Wattie. There is now growing evidence that the new variant is also infecting young people and children aswell, some being hospitalised. So it's difficult to drawer any line around who is and who isnt vulnerable although predominantly it is still at the higher end of the age spectrum. But the bottom line is, that this virus is coming back to haunt us with avengence and already NHS and Ambulance services are being tested to their limits with the numbers going into hospital. I hate to say it but its going to be a really grim 3 months ahead of us all until the vaccine starts to have a significant impact on the population and infections start to fall. Roll on Summer..
 

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I think the recurring theme for.me and a really frustrating one is how slow we always seem to be at achieving the confirmed end goal.

Boris and his idiots always seem to delay when there is no point and delays always have impacts. Brexit negotiations were slow and delayed. A reaction to the Kent lorry situation was slow and delayed.

Now we have a slow and low speed of vaccine rollout. It is not acceptable. We should be doing 1m vaccinations a day at whatever cost to scale up. At least 1m a week. I'm not sure what percentage of the population is either unemployed or furloughed but you have a heck of a lot of people sitting on their backsides doing squat.

Get them trained and get them helping to administrator a vaccine asap. This should be like a war effort where we all come together to get these vaccines rolled at asap.

Why does everything take so bl00dy long in this country to ever do or achieve anything?!

We've made the right decision I feel here. Now just do it full steam ahead. Why do we need to delay or so it slow. We have been told it will work and is safe and is being rolled out. Why take 2 years or longer when you could do it in much less time? Surely speed is in the essence.

A positive case for Maserati's everywhere I feel
 
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