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spkennyuk

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You were the one who said it will only take a couple of minutes in your previous post! Which is longer than before.

I'm not an expert of lorry paper work, but surely any rocket scientist can work out that when something takes longer than it did before there will be a knock on effect.

Ignoring something and saying Y2K didn't happen doesn't mean that everything will be rosey in the future.
Maybe Y2K didn't happen as systems were fixed/amended/adjusted to ensure it didn't happen (all I know is that I got a load of overtime changing my then work systems to ensure Y2K didn't have an effect).
Thus far with no deal, we haven't planned for sh*t, other than a massive lorry park up the road from where I live to cope with the excess paperwork delays they expect.
And the other 4 they want to build. I guess there's no need for that either?

Not planning for a potential outcome is madness. Bit like ignoring Covid because it only kills 0.01% of the population eh?

(Apparently) you dont thinks it take more than a few minutes to get a truck off a ferry and out of the port.

As for planning ahead for both a deal and no deal scenario. I think you will find Customs and the freight industry have been planning ahead for some time.

So i would agree not planning for a potential outcome would be madness if that was true.

My point about y2k was that the media spent so much time telling anybody that would listen what a disaster it was going to be and everything from hospital equipment to the banks would be shut down at the stroke of midnight.
Nothing happened.

There certainly wasnt massive overtime claims from my IT department to check all the equipment we had any PCs that were less than 5 years old were not affected as the bios were upto date. Anything older may have needed a bios update but at 5 years and over they were mostly due to be retired out.

As for your covid statement ! Not sure what your trying to suggest there. Ive not ignored covid nor has the UK government and there is certainly a vast amount of planning on how to deal with covid so i dont see the point your trying to make.

The UK press and others seem to be seriously underestimating the ability of the freight companies and customs to have the necessary procedures and solutions in place by the 1st January whatever the Brexit deal or no deal outcome is.
 
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(Apparently) you dont think it take more than a few minutes to get a truck off a ferry and out of the port.

As for planning ahead for both a deal and no deal scenario. I think you will find Customs and the freight industry have been planning ahead for some time.

So i would agree not planning for a potential outcome would be madness if that was true.

My point about y2k was that the media spent so much time telling anybody that would listen what a disaster it was going to be and everything from hospital equipment to the banks would be shut down at the stroke of midnight.
Nothing happened.

There certainly wasnt massive overtime claims from my IT department to check all the equipment we had any PCs that were less than 5 years old were not affected as the bios were upto date. Anything older may have needed a bios update but at 5 years and over they were mostly due to be retired out.

As for your covid statement ! Not sure what your trying to suggest there. Ive not ignored covid nor has the UK government and there is certainly a vast amount of planning on how to deal with covid so i dont see the point your trying to make.

The UK press and others seem to be seriously underestimating the ability of the freight companies and customs to have the necessary procedures and solutions in place by the 1st January whatever the Brexit deal or no deal outcome is.
Y2K different for us/me, we worked on a nuclear power station in Scotland. No Hogmany for us.

Only thing that got us was the MS leap year bug, as MS Windows (I know) logged the site access, and got confused over 28th/29th Feb 2000, and reported hardly anyone on site, and the NII went mad, since it looked like we had four reactors buzzing away and 13 people on site....

The VAX/Alpha VMS Cluster that ran or rather monitored the reactors passed fine.

It wasn't just about PC's.....
 

allandwf

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Y2K different for us/me, we worked on a nuclear power station in Scotland. No Hogmany for us.

Only thing that got us was the MS leap year bug, as MS Windows (I know) logged the site access, and got confused over 28th/29th Feb 2000, and reported hardly anyone on site, and the NII went mad, since it looked like we had four reactors buzzing away and 13 people on site....

The VAX/Alpha VMS Cluster that ran or rather monitored the reactors passed fine.

It wasn't just about PC's.....
I had to man a gas off take storage station in the middle of nowhere for the night/morning!!
 
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I was in charge of the Scott platform making $1million a day with heaps of computers Distributive Control Systems, Fire and Gas, ESD
We had a guy seconded for 6 months prior trying to work out what would happen
It all went smoothly
 

spkennyuk

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Y2K different for us/me, we worked on a nuclear power station in Scotland. No Hogmany for us.

Only thing that got us was the MS leap year bug, as MS Windows (I know) logged the site access, and got confused over 28th/29th Feb 2000, and reported hardly anyone on site, and the NII went mad, since it looked like we had four reactors buzzing away and 13 people on site....

The VAX/Alpha VMS Cluster that ran or rather monitored the reactors passed fine.

It wasn't just about PC's.....

It had the potential to affect anything with a chip that recorded date time and year information including hospital equipment and situations like yours.

For the vast majority of scenarios showing the wrong date was the worse thing that could happen. Stand alone systems like a heart monitor for example could still be used it just printed the wrong date on the graph.

Situations like yours people planned ahead and had people on site to act if needed which was a sensible precaution.

Certainly nothing of the horrors published by the press happened.
 

GeoffCapes

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(Apparently) you dont thinks it take more than a few minutes to get a truck off a ferry and out of the port.

As for planning ahead for both a deal and no deal scenario. I think you will find Customs and the freight industry have been planning ahead for some time.

So i would agree not planning for a potential outcome would be madness if that was true.

My point is that it will take a lot longer for trucks to book in an clear customs leaving the UK. Which your point of taking a few minutes agrees with.
coming into the UK is a problem for France not us!

The planning for any deal is nonexistent as no one knows what to plan for. It’s on the news every day down here as no one knows what they have to do.
Neither do any of the lorry drivers. Of any nationality. As that makes a massive difference.
 

spkennyuk

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My point is that it will take a lot longer for trucks to book in an clear customs leaving the UK. Which your point of taking a few minutes agrees with.
coming into the UK is a problem for France not us!

The planning for any deal is nonexistent as no one knows what to plan for. It’s on the news every day down here as no one knows what they have to do.
Neither do any of the lorry drivers. Of any nationality. As that makes a massive difference.

That kind of makes my point. Your repeating what you hear on the news and by your own admission your not an expert on trucking documentation.

The truck drivers are not going to have to book in with customs. They may have to present a mucr and ducr hard copy at the same time they present their passport. Documentation will differ depending on if its full load or part load.

Drivers wont know anything at this stage until we know if its a deal or no deal Brexit.

Goods travel up and down the country everyday that have not cleared customs in bonded vehicles without delay.

Dover handles between 7k and max 10k trucks per day peak of which around 3% are not from europe and subject to customs clearance.

The simple way of explaining it is that the MUCR and DUCR entries will be done before the trucks arrive on export from UK. Driver presents his passport and MUCR/DUCR on arrival at port and joins the loading zone for the ferry. Shipment will be cleared for export while they are sat waiting to load. Anything customs want to pull they will have the electronic entries for prior to arrival and can filter those trucks for search or exam as they do with cars and trucks already. So there is no delay at all as far as export goes.

Import wise the entries will be done prior to the ferry/truck arrival its held in the Chief system waiting for status 1 arrival. All the truck details on the ferry have already been transmitted so status 1 for uk arrival can be set as soon as the ferry arrives. At which point the Chief stored customs entry will 97% of the time customs clear and the trailer will be free to leave as per current methods ie show passport on exit. The approx 3% can be filtered off for exam in the same way as they are now.

So as ive said there is no logical or logistical reason why there should be delays of upto 2 days which was my original point from the article.
 
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Wattie

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So how did trump and brexit win?
Simple.
Protest vote against the system.
The masses are fed up.

By the way,Trump isn’t beaten yet.
If Trump had more votes do you think mainstream media would have proclaimed him the winner in the same way they’ve proclaimed Biden?

The Us could be about to get even messier.
 

GeoffCapes

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Drivers wont know anything at this stage until we know if its a deal or no deal Brexit.

So how can you say with any kind of authority that everything will be ok? You can’t.

What I do know is that a friend who owns a Custom Clearance Agent (Eurolink Services), has trebled his staff knowing that he will be so much busier with all of the documents trucks will need.

He’s worked at Dover for 20+ years. And in his words “it will be chaos without a deal”.

And that’s not in the press. That’s from someone who is at the coalface (so to speak).
 

Zep

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If Trump had more votes do you think mainstream media would have proclaimed him the winner in the same way they’ve proclaimed Biden?

In a word, Yes.

He was declared the winner by the media in 2016, based on projected wins in various states and Clinton conceded based on the same. Personally I think the media were very careful not to call the states too soon, which is why we waited 3 days for the crucial ones.

You are right about it getting worse before it gets better though.
 

Wattie

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In a word, Yes.

He was declared the winner by the media in 2016, based on projected wins in various states and Clinton conceded based on the same. Personally I think the media were very careful not to call the states too soon, which is why we waited 3 days for the crucial ones.

You are right about it getting worse before it gets better though.
Well McZep,
We agree on part 2, but i’m Not so sure part 1 would ever be implemented under these close circumstances.
 

Zep

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But was it legit.........he was projected to romp it.

Are you saying that because he didn’t “romp it” that calls into question the result? Really?

Trump called his win a landside, so by that measure Biden also had a landslide. Biden won by more votes than Trump in ‘16 in most of the states.

However, we clearly differ in our view, so let’s leave it here and get back to watching trucks in Dover.
 

midlifecrisis

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Really, so the majority of the UK voters were either stupid or misled by the media or both? Same with Brexit voters? Yawwwn

Misled, Missold and manipulated.

The British people were just unaware not stupid. Look at the PPI scandal and the constant over-selling of pointless insurance, (extra long warranty, phone insurance when it's already on your home insurance etc) they are not as informed as they should be.

The Pro-Europe campaign was woeful. Project Fear was a poor tactic, it played on a 'possible future' which we all know cannot be fully substantiated. The Pro-Europe campaign should have played on what the EU has done positively for the common man, such as free-phone data abroad, EU wide Car insurance, Newquay and Doncaster Airports, Euoprean wide consumer cover so if you buy parts from KJB you can get your money back etc etc etc. If people were aware of this