Are you worried yet.

Wack61 · Mar 29, 2020

CatmanV2 said:
Look. In. The. Mirror.

If you're asking the question, it's not essential FFS

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it was a question , did you read it , nothing about essential , the government clearly says everybody can go to work

iainw · Mar 29, 2020

rockits said:
I've been hearing a fair few stories or evidences of travel that doesn't seem to be essential. That is why I would guess that 50% of the population are still not entirely adhering to the govts stipulations.

Maybe this word essential needs to be clearly clarified in detail or the word changed. Soon if we are not careful it will need changing to is it life or death?

Hopefully those flouting the rules will be the ones to pay for it. There is very clear evidence that viral load is key- so the more infected people who are together or repeated exposure will increase their likelihood of Severe illness or death. Asymptomatic carriers can shed viruses for days before they get ill. So these people who keep going out and about can’t have any complaints if they get seriously ill.

daverichardson · Mar 29, 2020

A bit of humour.....
A suspected Covid-19 male patient is lying in bed in the hospital, wearing an oxygen mask over his mouth and nose. A young student female nurse appears and gives him a partial sponge bath.
"Nurse,"' he mumbles from behind the mask, "are my testicles black?"
Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, "I don't know, Sir. I'm only here to wash your upper body and feet."
He struggles to ask again, "Nurse, please check for me. Are my testicles black?"
Concerned that he might elevate his blood pressure and heart rate from worrying about his testicles, she overcomes her embarrassment and pulls back the covers.
She raises his gown, holds his manhood in one hand and his testicles gently in the other.
She looks very closely and says, "There's nothing wrong with them, Sir. They look fine."
The man slowly pulls off his oxygen mask, smiles at her, and says very slowly,
"Thank you very much. That was wonderful. Now listen very, very, closely:

"Are - my - test - results - back?"

lozcb · Mar 29, 2020

safrane said:
My take home in 1990 was £116.00 per week... and I still managed to by a house too... £14k.

God i feel embarassed Peter , in 1990 my mortgage was £1620 a month , and i had 2 kids and an expensive first wife to feed

Saigon · Mar 29, 2020

iainw said:
Give staff masks and stop them dying

Can you please explain simply, why there are no masks. I mean right now why is there a shortage, is it delivery problems, lack of manufacturing facilities, incompetence, there must be a root cause. And I don’t mean lack of foresight, no one had that and understandable. But what exactly is the bottle neck, right now.

Wanderer · Mar 29, 2020

iainw said:
Hopefully those flouting the rules will be the ones to pay for it. There is very clear evidence that viral load is key- so the more infected people who are together or repeated exposure will increase their likelihood of Severe illness or death. Asymptomatic carriers can shed viruses for days before they get ill. So these people who keep going out and about can’t have any complaints if they get seriously ill.

Well should people 'pay for it'?

Head says yes, heart says people are just robots of societal norms, they just 'do'. Survive like all of us, we have some money/brains etc, they have none of that, just to do what's necessary, we all will end up the same, none of it is nice.

For me, I f need to feed my kids, keep them alive, keep myself alive to keep them alive, I'll do anything, rip off HMRC, work on the black, do dodgy deals, anything. We all would.

But this is very real, back in the day it was an anathema, now it's a very real prospect.

safrane · Mar 29, 2020

lozcb said:
God i feel embarassed Peter , in 1990 my mortgage was £1620 a month , and i had 2 kids and an expensive first wife to feed

One of the only good things about living in a s h i t old mill town ib the NW... You can still buy a house there for sub £50k and not a ruin (well only just).

Wack61 · Mar 29, 2020

iainw said:
Hopefully those flouting the rules will be the ones to pay for it. There is very clear evidence that viral load is key- so the more infected people who are together or repeated exposure will increase their likelihood of Severe illness or death. Asymptomatic carriers can shed viruses for days before they get ill. So these people who keep going out and about can’t have any complaints if they get seriously ill.

In Asda this morning it was chaos , they were controlling the queue outside , people were behaving well , keeping apart , arrows on the floor nobody took any notice of inside the shop but if they had followed the route set out like they were on a railway line the queue outside would've been a mile long by the time somebody decided which sausages they wanted and moved on.

Staff were filling shelves mingling with the customers , aisles were only about 2.5m wide so maintaining a 2m gap was impossible

They kept announcing stay away from the staff , follow the arrows but nobody listened.

I couldn't wait to get out of there , the staff must be at a high risk of contracting it

D Walker · Mar 29, 2020

Going to be difficult to produce a list of “essential” workers.....our plant makes forms of plastic, which does into acrylic, it’s now going into making the screens for people on checkouts, it can be mixed with fibres for face masks...
So, the essential trades/ etc on this one plant probably runs to about 30 different types, and how do you narrow it down to... a pipe fitter or a pipe fitter on a plant that makes essential plastic...it’s up to businesses and individuals to decide...we’ve thinned out our non essential people to lessen the risk, and it’s been made quite clear, if any individual who is deemed essential does not feel comfortable or safe coming to work, then stay at home.
Tbh, if I wasn’t going to work I’d be volunteering to do something else anyway...

Wack61 · Mar 29, 2020

rockits said:
My 2nd full time job starting out in the IT world was in 1993/1994 I think after a few years at my dad's business was as a Trainee Apple Engineer on £6500pa. After 3 months I even got a Bedford Midi van to use

Oh the Bedford Midi , for a couple of months I worked for a courier company , I started at 11am , I knew the ******* midi would be the only thing left , it was awful , i dont know if it was just because theirs was ******* out
I remember it being really hot in there with that engine alongside you screaming its tits off , somebody blew it up the week before i left , can't say I was sorry

D Walker · Mar 29, 2020

Wack61 said:
In Asda this morning it was chaos , they were controlling the queue outside , people were behaving well , keeping apart , arrows on the floor nobody took any notice of inside the shop but if they had followed the route set out like they were on a railway line the queue outside would've been a mile long by the time somebody decided which sausages they wanted and moved on.

Staff were filling shelves mingling with the customers , aisles were only about 2.5m wide so maintaining a 2m gap was impossible

They kept announcing stay away from the staff , follow the arrows but nobody listened.

I couldn't wait to get out of there , the staff must be at a high risk of contracting it

My daughter has said same, she has a 12 week contract with Tesco, she does picking for home delivery, but now she’s starting at 4am to minimise interaction with public...buy tbf she did says it’s the odd person....and they tend not to be young, or as on Friday, full family going shopping, parents and 2 teenage kids, she said she scurried away to another aisle to avoid....

iainw · Mar 29, 2020

Saigon said:
Can you please explain simply, why there are no masks. I mean right now why is there a shortage, is it delivery problems, lack of manufacturing facilities, incompetence, there must be a root cause. And I don’t mean lack of foresight, no one had that and understandable. But what exactly is the bottle neck, right now.

It’s So hard to explain. It’s only these last 3 weeks of getting increasingly frustrated trying To help prepare. We are dealing with the slowest moving , most beaurocratic centralised and historically penny pinching system (the nhs)- when we need a military fast moving response. The amount of people you need to ask to order anything is incredible. You can read 1000 online reports of all over the world where it’s the same problem. China makes Most of them, most countries are stockpiling them and there is a fight for resources. Its like munitions in a war. Essentially I think there are centralised stocks- but there are local distribution issues and there isn’t enough on the front line which is affecting staff morale and encouraging fear.

Oneball · Mar 29, 2020

iainw said:
It’s So hard to explain. It’s only these last 3 weeks of getting increasingly frustrated trying To help prepare. We are dealing with the slowest moving , most beaurocratic centralised and historically penny pinching system (the nhs)- when we need a military fast moving response. The amount of people you need to ask to order anything is incredible. You can read 1000 online reports of all over the world where it’s the same problem. China makes Most of them, most countries are stockpiling them and there is a fight for resources. Its like munitions in a war. Essentially I think there are centralised stocks- but there are local distribution issues and there isn’t enough on the front line which is affecting staff morale and encouraging fear.

We sent 22 pallets full of FP3 masks to Aldershot. So I reckon as you say the stock is there.

Silvercat · Mar 29, 2020

iainw said:
Hopefully those flouting the rules will be the ones to pay for it. There is very clear evidence that viral load is key- so the more infected people who are together or repeated exposure will increase their likelihood of Severe illness or death. Asymptomatic carriers can shed viruses for days before they get ill. So these people who keep going out and about can’t have any complaints if they get seriously ill.

Update on ventilator manufacture:

philw696 · Mar 29, 2020

philw696 · Mar 29, 2020

Saigon · Mar 29, 2020

iainw said:
It’s So hard to explain. It’s only these last 3 weeks of getting increasingly frustrated trying To help prepare. We are dealing with the slowest moving , most beaurocratic centralised and historically penny pinching system (the nhs)- when we need a military fast moving response. The amount of people you need to ask to order anything is incredible. You can read 1000 online reports of all over the world where it’s the same problem. China makes Most of them, most countries are stockpiling them and there is a fight for resources. Its like munitions in a war. Essentially I think there are centralised stocks- but there are local distribution issues and there isn’t enough on the front line which is affecting staff morale and encouraging fear.

Ok, you have said there are centralised stocks, so the short term problem is distribution ? WTF!

Saigon · Mar 29, 2020

philw696 said:
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Phil, I for one really appreciate your lighter hearted side of things, keep it up mate.

iainw · Mar 29, 2020

Saigon said:
Ok, you have said there are centralised stocks, so the short term problem is distribution ? WTF!

The army are apparently involved in distribution of 17 million masks this week. The amounts needed are mind boggling.

outrun · Mar 29, 2020

lozcb said:
In France on the way back from LeMans one year , i ogt caught for speeding 138mph , cost me euros 300 and 30 minutes of my time with the bonnet up discussing combien de puissance

You were lucky. I got stopped at 145mph about 20 years ago and was fined 10,000 francs on the stop or the other option to take by chance with the local magistrate. And it was Friday and so it would be jail for the weekend while i waited. I couldn’t get my MasterCard out fast enough! It was about £1200 from memory.

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