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rockits said:
Why do we harbour these idiots by blanking out their faces? Just stick them everywhere all over the Internet, papers and news.
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Agreed completely beggars belief , I wanna infringe on their human rights purely for the fact they have endangered everyone elses , shaking head ..................can some liberal millenial give me one good reason why they shouldn't be openly shamed
 
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lozcb said:
Agreed completely beggars belief , I wanna infringe on their human rights purely for the fact they have endangered everyone elses , shaking head ..................can some liberal millenial give me one good reason why they shouldn't be openly shamed
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Cause they’ll get sued.

About 10 years ago West Midlands Police put the pictures of wanted crims up on the side of their HQ and a group of them sued.
 
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rockits said:
Why do we harbour these idiots by blanking out their faces? Just stick them everywhere all over the Internet, papers and news.
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Because they have human rights, apparently , In this current climate I'd call spitting in somebodies face GBH as a minimum but as usual they're unlikely to face any charges, the sooner our soft as **** government bring in hefty fines for being out without good reason like France and Spain the better
 
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What pissing me off as well is reporters being sent to stand outside to report ...... Apparently it's essential work.....Is it feck. They can all do what they do from home. Don't need to see them in a street or outside Parliment.
 
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Oneball said:
Cause they’ll get sued.

About 10 years ago West Midlands Police put the pictures of wanted crims up on the side of their HQ and a group of them sued.
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Thats not a good reason ..........................its well known in certain circumstances the law is an arrrse
 
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MarkMas said:
Well, I know nothing about this, but still have some questions, if you don't mind....

So what do you mean by safely? Surely the criterion is, as I say, "Well enough to have an average patient outcome that is better than just not bothering with a ventilator at all." Also, is the level of expert supervision significant? (So would it, in a time of crisis, maybe be better to have 1 expert, 10 trainees and 20 ventilators than 1 expert and 5 ventilators?)

What do you mean by an acceptable time frame? If we anticipated still having an overload problem 3 months from now, or if we feared a 'second bubble' 9 months from now, should we be trying to do some training now?
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It’s really complicated and multifactorial - the points you make have some validity. I suppose the easiest way to explain it is to use and analogy. Considering 60-70% of patients who need ventilation die anyway - let’s compare to a fighter pilot ace from World War Two. An ace may shoot down 30% incoming enemies, an experienced and brace pilot may shoot down a few. A novice is just using a plane for the sake of looking like he is trying, and someone who can’t fly will just expose himself to risk for no reason. There’s a tricky balance but most anaesthetists maintain- there is likely to be enough ventilators for them to handle but not the staff. Can’t say too much on air - but if you can’t give your pilots a mask each- how are you going to man a shiny new fleet of fighter jets bought from industry..
 
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Over 6500 dead in Spain, 1228 in Britain, 209 since yesterday

The press conference is by Skype now , they're taking about 3-6 months of restrictions on us
 
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MarkMas said:
Oh, ok, I totally agree that if you do the maths as "what you get out" minus "what you put in" then you certainly get a better deal if you don't pay much in taxes. (But bear in mind that even the poorest / idlest in our society pay quite a lot of taxes - VAT, fuel duty etc.)

But what I meant was purely in terms of what you get out of the NHS, irrespective of what you put in. True some people have bad attitudes, make unreasonable demands, are casual about appointment-keeping, but I don't have any data on the demographics of this. Perhaps each of us has personal experience and wisdom that makes us confident in asserting that certain groups are more like this. But there is plenty of real scientific data that suggests that the middle classes get better outcomes from the NHS than others, although it is less clear why. Perhaps being more 'pushy', perhaps following their treatment better, perhaps just geographical provision of services.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2920379/

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...rvational-cohort-study-of-13-770-patients.pdf
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I haven’t read the above but I am sure they have Better outcomes as they have better diets, don’t smoke as much and exercise maybe- and take responsibility for their health.
 
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