Which one 4200 GS Spyder or Stradale for £50K

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FF1078 said:
Yeash but 100kg is just like carrying a fat lad in the passenger seat. I don't think you'd really tell the difference in performance if chubby was there or not, maybe 0.1 of a second to 60? Handling maybe a little too but surely not that noticable?
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It is noticeable, with your eyes and the seat of the pants. Even with two sacks of spuds in mine and a Krishna and a waif like passenger (who were both never seen eating) in his my car pulled in several car lengths out of every hairpin, up hill.

As for the handling, once past, we were gone.
 
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Hear what you say - but this is the bit I see. Its the whole point is it not?
Trying to define "better" or "more" is pointless as its subjective and different for different people.
Whereas the design concept is an absolute. I don't get the concept.
 
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Navcorr said:
Hear what you say - but this is the bit I see. Its the whole point is it not?
Trying to define "better" or "more" is pointless as its subjective and different for different people.
Whereas the design concept is an absolute. I don't get the concept.
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Then I shall refrain from trying to explain further.
 
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ooh - you may not be trying to be condescending but it sounds rather like you are.
I have my opinion and you have yours. No explanation necessary.
 
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All very philosophical but this forum is very subjective which is hardly surprising as buying a car like a Maserati is not wholly rational.

I have lived on the sidelines here for some time with a manual facelift 4200 followed by an auto GranTurismo GTS when eight out of ten cats prefer* the other gearbox in both cars. Who cares all are great and in revising my answer to the intial question I would toss a coin.

*Or are told they prefer it.
 
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Navcorr said:
ooh - you may not be trying to be condescending but it sounds rather like you are.
I have my opinion and you have yours. No explanation necessary.
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No intention of being condecending. You have said you don’t get it, I respect that and will not try to sway your opinion.
 
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No harm no foul or in my neck of the woods no blood no foul :smile:
I get why someone would and if you can or have that's great.
I just don't get "why" in the first place.
 
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Nibby said:
Mcgrath Maserati have got a nice GS Spyder for sale in a lovely colour (said me being biased)
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Their write up seems obviously incorrect (misleading?)? They've stated "There were only ever 26 examples of the GranSport Spyder made in right hand drive"

My understanding is that this number is closer to 240-odd.

I've personally seen 6 in Australia - and for the UK - the yellow at Giallo, the one at McGrath - and Dicky would have sold 3 or 4 by now I would think. Fair to presume at least 1 or 2 would have been written off - so I doubt 50% of global numbers have been for sale in the past 2 to 3 years.
 
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DaveT said:
Agreed. But is there more to this car than meets the eye (apart from the obvious)? Has anyone been to se e it?
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I'm staggered that any dealer can think it worthwhile to have their working capital tied up, not to mention floor space consumed, not to mention on going costs of storing, maintaining and presenting a car. Would have thought they'd drop to mid to high 20's just to be done with it. I think Dave is right - as I cannot see why it would have sat this long, if it were a straight car.
 
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No way you could call a Stradale light. It's a lardy pants really. It was never going to be a stripped 911 GT3 competitor.....but it looks fantastic, it is lighter than the standard car, it's drives lovely and sounds amazing. It's still a GT car and will never be a track day warrior as Maserati advertised it to be although I'm sure it's pretty handy on track. Remember one review putting it up against the GT3 and M3 stripped out thingy and the anaylsis was that it was a Jaguar XK RS or XKR competitor rather than the two they put it up against which makes sense.

The difference of 10 BHP between two and four seater.....I've driven a two seater but not a four but I bet you wouldn't see a difference in the real world. It's when you put it with other changes...suspension etc then you might feel a difference...sum of its parts and all that. One thing for me is that the Stradale is the most desirable car Maserati has made......
 
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foibles said:
Their write up seems obviously incorrect (misleading?)? They've stated "There were only ever 26 examples of the GranSport Spyder made in right hand drive"

My understanding is that this number is closer to 240-odd.

I've personally seen 6 in Australia - and for the UK - the yellow at Giallo, the one at McGrath - and Dicky would have sold 3 or 4 by now I would think. Fair to presume at least 1 or 2 would have been written off - so I doubt 50% of global numbers have been for sale in the past 2 to 3 years.
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I don’t recall exact numbers but I think they’re correct. There were about 17 UK originally.
 
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Andyk said:
No way you could call a Stradale light. It's a lardy pants really. It was never going to be a stripped 911 GT3 competitor.....but it looks fantastic, it is lighter than the standard car, it's drives lovely and sounds amazing. It's still a GT car and will never be a track day warrior as Maserati advertised it to be although I'm sure it's pretty handy on track. Remember one review putting it up against the GT3 and M3 stripped out thingy and the anaylsis was that it was a Jaguar XK RS or XKR competitor rather than the two they put it up against which makes sense.

The difference of 10 BHP between two and four seater.....I've driven a two seater but not a four but I bet you wouldn't see a difference in the real world. It's when you put it with other changes...suspension etc then you might feel a difference...sum of its parts and all that. One thing for me is that the Stradale is the most desirable car Maserati has made......
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I’m guessing you mean in the last 20 years? Personally, I’d put the MC Victory up there with it and even the Gransport. But I’d also say that a Strad doesn’t get close to an original Ghibli or a 3500/5000 GT in the desireability stakes when considering the entire Maserati back catalogue.
 
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philw696 said:
Wished I had kept my 04 360 Modena F1 with all its Goodies on that I bought for £39,000 a perfect car for two people that sounded amazing.
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Wish I had kept my 360M Manual with 13k miles, TDF Blue, Carbon seats. Bought it in the banking crisis 2008 for £43k and sold it in 2012 for £42k.
 
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Wow Michael that would be worth some now. Love TDF blue my 456 was that colour just stunning.
Hindsight aye.
 
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This is always a greater than the sum of its parts discussion. Seemingly minimal change(s) to a car make a huge overall difference and there are many examples of this in Maserati land. It is not as simple as that though since as has been said, purchasing any Maserati is not a logical choice. 2-Seater Strad I think is the best of the modern bunch and will bottom out at some point (soon?) but it is definitely not a logical choice. I cannot have one anyway as it will not fit in my garage and I am not moving house to have one. A Gransport Coupe fits just fine and is just as big if not bigger inside (with 4 proper seats) so makes as good an emotional and logical choice as it gets.
 
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dickygrace said:
I don’t recall exact numbers but I think they’re correct. There were about 17 UK originally.
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Dicky...howmanyleft.uk suggests that there were about 120 odd that suddenly appeared on UK roads in 2006/7. That would surely be reflective of app 240 in total...as Aus would likely have scored a few dozen....some to honkers, Singapore, NZ and South Africa for instance. I'd love to think the GS Spyder is as rare as 2 dozen RHD units.....but I'm pretty sure it's about ten times that number.
 
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Andyk said:
The difference of 10 BHP between two and four seater.....I've driven a two seater but not a four but I bet you wouldn't see a difference in the real world. It's when you put it with other changes...suspension etc then you might feel a difference...sum of its parts and all that. One thing for me is that the Stradale is the most desirable car Maserati has made......
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The 4 Seater Strad is heavier. They attempted to get it down to the 2 seater weight with the carbon bonnet etc but couldn't quite make it so the extra 10hp was to make up for this fact so the performance is the same (it may be listed as faster)
 
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