QP DV6 new pads now won't select anything other than park - stranded!

Hotblack Desiato

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I have a 2015 qp dv6 which I've had for eight months and it's been superbly reliable. Last week it went in for its annual service and had brake pads fitted all round. I drove it home where it sat all weekend. On attempting to go out in it yesterday it started fine but when I go to select drive or reverse it flips straight back into park after a two second delay. There are no warning messages. If I put it in neutral the same thing happens but i get a message on the dash saying "please press brake to select a gear" my foot at this point is firmly planted on the brake. As a result i am completely stranded and can't drive into work. Recovery are on their way but it seems no coincidence that I have these problems after all four sets of pads were replaced. The question is, does anyone have any ideas what the fix might be? If I have to have recovery to the dealer I have to pay above 20 miles distance and it's a looong way to the dealer that did the work...any suggestions on the fault would be much appreciated. Thanks
 

dickygrace

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Sounds like the cold weather and new pads combo has bound the pads to the discs.
 

marios kriticos

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I think you will have a problem with your brake light switch , there is nothing on the brake pads that can give you this problem .
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conaero

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I think you will have a problem with your brake light switch , there is nothing on the brake pads that can give you this problem .
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This was my first though too. Check the brake lights are coming on when you press the brake pedal is a good place to start.
 

GeoffCapes

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On a positive note, I like the fact that it's been superbly reliable. I'm thinking of getting one as a work horse.
 

Hotblack Desiato

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Thanks for the ideas guys, really appreciate it. I've had the old pads bind in wet then cold weather before and they never stopped me getting out of Park, although they did go with a bang when I moved off! I tried again just now and the brake lights work fine so doesn't seem to be a malfunction of the light switch. Still waiting for recovery, five hours and counting now and the dealer I select no longer returning my calls :-(
 

outrun

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From neutral, have you tried rocking the car back and forth to see if it is free? If the brakes or handbrake are binding on, it will be solid as a rock and not moveable. I'd also try a battery reset. Could just be a sensor or message out of sync that is causing the car to not allow gear selection.
 

bigbob

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Are you sure it is not just the epb shoes binding? If I will park the car up wet for a few days then I always leave the epb off.

whichever hope it is fixed quickly.
 

Hotblack Desiato

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Thanks guys @Outrun, I can't get it to stay in neutral either, 2 seconds and it flips into park. For a battery reset I presume that's just disconnect batty and reconnect after 20 mins? Is there anything more to it than that?
@Bigbob, the EPA seems to be coming on and off ok, certainly making good noises like it is but I guess it might be difficult to prove if I can't select neutral.
@Catmanv2 - yes that was last year and it worked very well, hence the QP purchase but now I have a comeback world tour to plan
 

CatmanV2

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Thanks guys @Outrun, I can't get it to stay in neutral either, 2 seconds and it flips into park. For a battery reset I presume that's just disconnect batty and reconnect after 20 mins? Is there anything more to it than that?
@Bigbob, the EPA seems to be coming on and off ok, certainly making good noises like it is but I guess it might be difficult to prove if I can't select neutral.
@Catmanv2 - yes that was last year and it worked very well, hence the QP purchase but now I have a comeback world tour to plan ��������

:lol2:

Can we just check, this is a QP VI? Unless the QPV is very different from the GT (which it isn't) there's no way it can flip back to Park. I'm guessing the VI doesn't have a traditional auto selection lever, but is fully electronically controlled?

The brake light switch in the coupe is a two way unit. Even if the lights come on, the ECU may still not like it. So I'd have to side with Matt and Marios.

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outrun

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Yes, reset is just disconnect for 20 mins and see what happens. I don't know if the 6 has a battery isolation switch or lever to remove the negative lead or if you'll need a 10mm spanner. Hopefully they've made it easier than having to actually remove the lead from the terminal.

The 6 has the electronic selector from several FCA products which is not very precise. It was implemented in the accidental death of actor Anton Yelchin, in that case fitted to a Jeep.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...s-of-star-trek-actor-sue-jeep-manufacturer-f/
 

Hotblack Desiato

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I've taken the epb off and given the car a good shove, I can get a good 3-4 inches of travel disc through all calipers so they are definitely not bound to the disk. Just started a 20 minute battery disconnect which involves a ten mm nut on the negative terminal and 13mm on the positive. Will see how that goes. I rang recovery at 0741 this morning and they put me on a priority call out which meant a mechanic arriving between 0741 and 1441. Just had a text to say they'd be with me at 1440!! I hope the battery reset works...
The car is a late 2015 DV6 so presume the selection lever is fully electronic, it always returns to the rest position so feels sure like an electronic switch and not mechanical.
 

outrun

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The fact it moves suggests no issue with brakes or handbrake binding. I suspect a switch or sensor is to blame. That's just a guess though!

Hope the reset works.
 

Hotblack Desiato

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Reset was easy enough but it threw up a security key code entry on the central console. I have no codes at all, but left 30 minutes it cleared and the radio appeared on the touch screen once again. No solution though sadly. Green flag arrived and didn't want to touch it as it's potentially a dealer warranty issue so I spoke to the eater again explaining that green flag won't recover the vehicle to them. Frustratingly they then asked me why I hadn't called Maserati recovery which is apparently in place up to end of warranty! I might have known this if the books hadn't been stolen from the car while it was in the showroom before I bought it, you don't know what's you don't know if guess! So, after waiting from 0740 to 1500 I rang Maserati recovery. Wow! What a service! Specialist recovery vehicle is booked for tomorrow morning and a courtesy car is on its way for five days use and will arrive tonight. The car gets recovered to the nearest dealer so while it's not the dealer who serviced the car, it'll do for the fx I'm sure and the I return the courtesy car to the dealer when I pick my fixed t car up. Very good for convenience.
So it's all about finding out what went wrong. Given the service had all brakes off , did the wiring look move recall item and a pile of software updates I'm convinced one of those will throw out an electrical fault of some kind, physical connection or otherwise, just got to see which it I see now.
Thanks for the inputs everyone it's good to see how active this forum is compared to some others I'm in and the responses are quick and helpful! Top job :)
 

Hotblack Desiato

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Had a call from the really rather nice people at H R Owen today where the car was recovered to. The fix hasn't been made just yet but it all boils down to this....when the original dealer, or any other Maserati dealer for that matter, puts the car on the ramp for work to be carried out they do this by releasing the brake using the lever in the panel under the passenger footwell carpet. When they did this they over stretched the cable so once it was all put back, the electronics didn't register or couldn't actuate the disengagement of the parking brake. Not sure why exactly but if they take the cable completely off, the car will drive as normal. They have ordered a new cable from Maserati and I hope to get my QP back Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
If this is the case, my thinking is that dealer number one really should have checked this after my maintenance work especially if it's a known effect over time, so while it could have happened to any dealer on any maintenance run, I think it's reasonable for dealer no. 1 to have done this and done a proper job so that I haven't ended up with three days of aggro trying to get the car recovered and nearly two weeks of inconvenience for the whole family. It was a £1900 service after all, am I being harsh in expecting it to be done without causing me this hassle?
 

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I'd agree with Peter. I often use an MD to keep an unbroken service history in place when just for a simple lubrication service and nothing else. I would use an decent indy for all other work or don't myself.

What is interesting is how many times an MD has been the same price or cheaper for a simple lubrication service than an indy. Just happened for our Freelander2. The indy round the corner quoted 50% more than Grange. When asked why it was so expensive and Grange was much cheaper they responded with sorry that price is wrong it is xxx. It was still more expensive.

We have used them on my wife's car for over 3 years. They have lost our business forever now. The trust has gone. That trust is important to me and needs to be there. I trust very few.