Just for fun... can anyone beat this milage for a 16 year old 3200GT!

zagatoes30

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Benny would say a 3200 at that mileage was doing well ;)

But it does beg the question why did an engine with that mileage need a rebuild?
 

davy83

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There was a barn find in one of the auctions recently that had lower mileage than that, i think 5000 miles or thereabouts, but a rare find these days indeed. However it does beg the question what was the car doing all these years?
 

Ewan

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A friend of mine has his 3200 in for a total engine rebuild at the moment. Mileage is only 35k, just going to show that the dreaded end-float issue can strike at any time. Total repair bill will end up at not far off the total value if the car. And that presupposes that all the necessary parts can be found/made for reasonable money (many are no longer available from Maserati).

When the end-float issue was identified and the engine removed the car went from a value of circa £15k to a breaker value of circa £3k. Ouch.

As much as i love the manual 3200's (and both of mine were problem free), phrases such as "time bomb" and "Russian roulette" spring to mind.
 

D Walker

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I guess if you have one you should consider buying another as a donor car, if yours is a keeper!!
 

allandwf

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That's around the "normal" mileage for end float issues, if they are going to appear. Most will be past that now.
 

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The last car I heard with it was a local guy to me who bought the car at Carfest auction 2 years ago (same auction I bought my Golf). In the end he sold it to F-Tech for absolutely peanuts! A real shame for him...
 

CatmanV2

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From memory.......eratic/low oil pressure is the tell tale issue, correct?

Dropping oil pressure when pressing the clutch I think. I also seem to recall that once you see that, it's too late. I could be totally wrong, though

C
 

StuartW

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I bought my 3200 with around 31k on the clock and it had already suffered end floats issues so had been rebuilt. This time, modified phosphorus bronze thrust washers were used which is one of the reasons why I was happy to buy the car I did, despite it being a Cat car. Eighteen months and around 6k miles later, these modified washers failed too so once again the engine had to be scheduled for another rebuild.
I then cut my losses and sold the car back to David Askew. He continued to drive it for a little bit before it got too bad and then sold it on to someone who I understand had a full repaint and engine rebuild. The car is on the road, is taxed and MOT'ed so I am glad it has been rescued but it has had many thousands spent on it and was certainly unlucky for me
 

Billy3200

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So this is probably the only time that I will be able to be knowledgeable on the subject of a 3200 as it is my car that Ewan speaks of. I bought the car from the second owner at 26k with full service history. I have had nearly 10k of enjoyment including a blast down to Italy that I reported back on in this forum. Late last year I had a momentary oil pressure fluctuation on one trip which caused me to watch oil pressure like a hawk. I tried the "depress the clutch and watch the pressure" test no movement on the dial. A month later fluctuation happened again - I took the car in for inspection even though full pressure was registering on the gauge. End float was measured at 0.8mm!! Apparently 0.2mm is max tolerance. We shall see if this one gets back to the road again.

Even my best "man maths" is having difficulty making this one work!
 

allandwf

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So this is probably the only time that I will be able to be knowledgeable on the subject of a 3200 as it is my car that Ewan speaks of. I bought the car from the second owner at 26k with full service history. I have had nearly 10k of enjoyment including a blast down to Italy that I reported back on in this forum. Late last year I had a momentary oil pressure fluctuation on one trip which caused me to watch oil pressure like a hawk. I tried the "depress the clutch and watch the pressure" test no movement on the dial. A month later fluctuation happened again - I took the car in for inspection even though full pressure was registering on the gauge. End float was measured at 0.8mm!! Apparently 0.2mm is max tolerance. We shall see if this one gets back to the road again.

Even my best "man maths" is having difficulty making this one work!
I hope it goes well. Mine did it with the 2nd owner I believe. Engine replaced at 45k. I have it measured every service now, it has not budged, thankfully.
 

StuartW

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Sorry to hear that Billy, good luck.
If you do go ahead and get it rebuilt, try to get an engine builder who has tackled one before so that when it is fixed, it stays fixed and then you can enjoy it as before without the worries
Best wishes, I feel for you
 

alfatwo

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Yea it was thrust washer wear that caused the problem, there were no symptoms what so ever.. The original owner lived in central London
What with all that clutch work and starting the car after several months of standing with the clutch depressed as per the handbook, ruined the bearings

Stuart at Shiltech did all the work over last winter, he did a superb job too!

We had the crank re machined and fitted oversize original Glacier bearings

Heres a pic..IMG_0037.jpg


Dave
 

BuckRog64

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Dave, there is one for sale on ebay with c.1,000 miles more than yours. Don't know if anyone knows the car? I've made initial enquiries to the vendor. It sold at auction beginning of April for just under £15k with commission and new owner is moving it straight on. As a suspicious buyer can't help wondering if it went to auction because of the end float!

Interesting about the end float repairs failing a second time. I was thinking if I bought a manual 3200 I'd splash out getting the engine fitted with modified thrust washers by Giallo, my local Maserati specialist. Possibly an expensive bit of preventative maintenance that doesn't remove the risk?