Look what Jaguar gave me as a loan car.

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Residuals are terrible! But the cars are nice. :smile:

Are they? Don't seem out of line with the norm. In fact if you look for a used low miles 380PS coupe up to two years old then I would pay the £10/15k extra and go for discounted new. Then keep it a long time and enjoy.
 

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Main dealer in Bristol almost threw me the keys to test drive a few weeks back...was too busy but said I would look again...seems like I am not the only one.

Impossible to avoid looking when stuck in the inevitable jam on the A4... which variant was that black one? (So I don't expose myself to temptation by getting closer than the main road)? ;) No, a Maserati is something special still and the V8 sounds too much of a beast unless AWD - and 2.1 tonnes!
 

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I was offered a 8500 mile white V6 one last year at £39k, 18 months old; I thought great, that sounds cheap, until I saw they retailed at £39950. The car was £66k or so new. They're lovely, but overpriced, so we all think, that's fine, I'll buy a used one, which will still fall by £15k over 2-3 years.

Was that an S or standard V6 Dicky....Rare to see an S Coupe under 40k but the 340bhp one is as low as 35k...but the 340 I think will be discontinued with the 4 cylinder just coming out which is quicker than the 340 v6.
 

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Are they? Don't seem out of line with the norm. In fact if you look for a used low miles 380PS coupe up to two years old then I would pay the £10/15k extra and go for discounted new. Then keep it a long time and enjoy.

If the discounts are that huge, Bob, it's a different story. Measure residuals from what punters actually pay instead of from list and I guess they're tolerable.
 

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Not sure I would buy new but a v8 at 55k I would .... Yes it will drop money but I've never bought a car on residual only because I like it and want to enjoy.....
 

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If the discounts are that huge, Bob, it's a different story. Measure residuals from what punters actually pay instead of from list and I guess they're tolerable.

I had a quick look and the standard spec on the S is ok and sub £60k seems possible whereas the 2 year old used ones seemed to be high £40s. Depends how long you plan to keep one. They look and sound great, shows the UK can still mix it.
 

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The spec. Good an most have had panoramic roof, 20 inch wheels, rear view camera and high end stereo added...All options but most have them. The sports seats are a good addition that was standard on V8 but option on the V6. The Sport 400 has the new sport seats as standard and very lovely they are to.
 

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I know it's all subjective, but if their values are dropping like a stone, they can't be all that good.

I'm not a fan personally. Of either the looks, sound or the badge. Neither can 'the market' if residuals are poor.
 

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A QP is a great car but the residuals aren't great. My Exec GT was about 100k I expect but less than 17k after 9 years. That is a fair amount to lose. Not far off 10k per year!
 

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A QP is a great car but the residuals aren't great. My Exec GT was about 100k I expect but less than 17k after 9 years. That is a fair amount to lose. Not far off 10k per year!

Not really a comparable car though. Saloons always lose a large chunk of their value quickly.
Compare it to a GTS like mine. Nigh on 90k car in 8 years is worth 40k (44%)

However how long will it take for a 80 grand Jag to be worth 35.2k? (44%) 2-3 years?
 

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I don't think it is always a case that the car is no good. Just because it devalues more than others. Often a case that for the masses they aren't wanted. That could mean the masses are idiots or not seeing the jewel in the crown. More fool them.

Also with massive discounts for lease companies from manufactures for certain cars depending on what deals are done this we know has a massive affect on residuals. When a lease company gets a 40-50% discount on a new car then of course after a few years the are is going to fall out of it. That alone is probably a very good reason GT values have remained higher compared to many others. I bet there are a shedload more F-Types on lease deals than Masers.

I look to buy cars I want to own & drive & like to see decent value. While also trying not to lose my shorts on the future values. I guess that is why I have never bought a car for more than 25k. A 25k car can only lose 25k for the rest of its days.
 

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Forget to say I think the F-Type is a cracking car and I had a blast driving lots of them around Milbrook a few years back.

I would have no issue buying one but I think it would be a V8 not the V6 SC.
 

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I know it's all subjective, but if their values are dropping like a stone, they can't be all that good.

I'm not a fan personally. Of either the looks, sound or the badge. Neither can 'the market' if residuals are poor.

They are a great car but expensive Jags have always lost money....doesn't make them a bad car and the reviews certainly don't say that. The V8 is a brilliant car and a real Sports car. Very different car to a Maserati GT though and can't imagine anyone having both on their list as ones a GT car and one a sports car. Plus prices are determined also by supply and demand and Jaguar will flood the market unlike a company like Maserati.....Although they seem to more with the Ghibli. Also an early Ghibli is the other side of 30k which is nearly 50% of its new value isn't it ?

I'm with you Dean as I said above buy a car as you love it...the way it looks, the way it drives, the way it makes you feel and if it losing money so be it but at least you've smiled when driving....Maserati GT gives you that feeling and the FType certainly did for me as well.

The 80k Jag F type V8 is currently 55k and that's in 3 years think it will take at least another 2 maybe to be at 35k.
 

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However how long will it take for a 80 grand Jag to be worth 35.2k? (44%) 2-3 years?

A new F-Type R is about £90k without any discount, three year old models with sensible mileage start from about £55k which is roughly 60% in my book.
 

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The F-Type looks to be holder value better than the XK that went before. Depreciation is surely simply linked to supply and demand. If they're making too many, too quickly, this will drive the value downwards. Add in a car that is now 3 years to market and so no longer quite to exciting for some and this drives values down further.

Maserati has never made enough cars to see this really happen.....until now ! Look at the value of the Ghibli and QP6 and you'll see similar trends to Jaguar developing. For example, a 2014 (3 years old) diesel Ghibli is now £25-27k. That's a car with a list of £51k, even poverty spec ones have a couple of options so let's say £55k average. Thats a retained value of 45% (ish) which is not impressive. The QP6 fairs very similarly with a 2014 diesel at £35k and a list of £71k, plus options so £75k. Where is appears that the QP6 is plummeting in value, it's actually doing the same at the Ghibli. Interestingly - and I have been banging on about this for ages - the petrol versions of both cars suffer less depreciation. A similar (non S) petrol 2014 Ghibli will set you back about £35k right now, maybe a little less. Add the £54k list plus similar options to the diesel and that's £58k. Therefore the retained value is 61%.

Bottom line is, don't buy a diesel one unless you are doing ballistic mileage. There's just no point. The petrol is a better car, better to drive and depreciates less. The numbers don't lie.
 

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All Jags drop rapidly, they always have done. A mate dropped £20k in 3 months on one of the first F type V8 cabs. They are good value now but have little or no luggage space.
 

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Luggage space in the Coupe I had seemed to about the same as most two seater Coupe of that size not big but enough for two people as long as traveling light.
 

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The Jaguar F type [ETA Coupe] is said to have 310L of boot space.
The GS is said to have 315L of boot space enough for us for a 2/52 holiday but I don't know how much that was due to the extra 5L ;)

BUT of course with the GS you have the option (which we took) of overflowing into the rear seats or, to keep it subtle, the rear seat footwells with a a dark coloured blanket (we have black leather interior) to make anything there difficult to see from the outside.
 

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GS is a better shaped boot than the F type coupe - latter boot has little height but the car overall is sublime to look at and sit in.