Interesting bi s1 1987 D reg
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Based on the fact you can buy a very tidy LHD V6 Biturbo for £6-7k then it might be a little optimistic.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C333725
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C333725
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As the badging suggests, this car is a Biturbo i, its too early to be a 222 as they weren't introduced until 1988. This family of cars are known generically as the Biturbo II and feature a few updates over the first series cars including aerodynamic door mirrors, the later type seats as opposed to the earlier flatter style, rounded instrument binnacle to replace the large rectangular one etc. The Biturbo i was originally produced only for the domestic market so it should have a 2 litre version of the v6, perhaps the presence of fuel injection has confused you Ewan? 
As far as values go, the early biturbos are not hugely sought after, some purists like the really early first series cars but generally speaking an earlyish Biturbo isn't going to be worth much more than £6-7k. There are a few models that are becoming collectible however, the Biturbo Si & Si Black are very sought after in Italy. This car is unusual in that it is an early car with fuel injection but i don't think its worth a premium over a carb version as it isn't much different spec wise.
I don't think £4k is too bad, i wouldn't get too hung up on service history as these cars are quite tough mechanically, I'd be more concerned about the bodywork. If that's ok then it'd be worth a punt, if the engine turns out not to be any good you could find a used one for £500 or so, a good opportunity to drop in a 2.8. You wouldn't see much of a gain in value over time but it'd be a cheap quick little car.
As far as values go, the early biturbos are not hugely sought after, some purists like the really early first series cars but generally speaking an earlyish Biturbo isn't going to be worth much more than £6-7k. There are a few models that are becoming collectible however, the Biturbo Si & Si Black are very sought after in Italy. This car is unusual in that it is an early car with fuel injection but i don't think its worth a premium over a carb version as it isn't much different spec wise.
I don't think £4k is too bad, i wouldn't get too hung up on service history as these cars are quite tough mechanically, I'd be more concerned about the bodywork. If that's ok then it'd be worth a punt, if the engine turns out not to be any good you could find a used one for £500 or so, a good opportunity to drop in a 2.8. You wouldn't see much of a gain in value over time but it'd be a cheap quick little car.
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Happy to be corrected on model/spec, as the early Biturbo's are not my specialism! The handbook with the car is the 222 handbook, hence my assumption that was the model. Schoolboy error!
As for the engine, in the folder is a letter from Meridien Modena saying that they believe the original engine to have been a 2.5 litre, but that it has been replaced with a later 2.8 litre version. But the wording on the letter makes me think it may have been written after a description rather than a physical inspection. So who knows, maybe what's in there is the original 2 litre.
The current owners are keen to see it go to a good home, but I think they need to lower the asking price. Given its got neither tax nor MOT, it'd need to be low loaded to a specialist for a pre purchase inspection and valuation, so maybe £300 or so would be spent just trying to decide what to offer.
As for the engine, in the folder is a letter from Meridien Modena saying that they believe the original engine to have been a 2.5 litre, but that it has been replaced with a later 2.8 litre version. But the wording on the letter makes me think it may have been written after a description rather than a physical inspection. So who knows, maybe what's in there is the original 2 litre.
The current owners are keen to see it go to a good home, but I think they need to lower the asking price. Given its got neither tax nor MOT, it'd need to be low loaded to a specialist for a pre purchase inspection and valuation, so maybe £300 or so would be spent just trying to decide what to offer.
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A logical conclusion based on the information you were given.
I suppose the only accurate way to tell which engine the car has would be to look at the code stamped onto the block: AM470 for 2 litre 18v injection, AM472 for 2.5 litre 18v injection & AM473 for 2.8 litre 18v injection (the 2.8 would also normally have 2800 stamped on the cam covers).
I suppose the only accurate way to tell which engine the car has would be to look at the code stamped onto the block: AM470 for 2 litre 18v injection, AM472 for 2.5 litre 18v injection & AM473 for 2.8 litre 18v injection (the 2.8 would also normally have 2800 stamped on the cam covers).