Extra BHP at what cost

[lozcb]

Thought i would bring this to the fore once again , do we need more power , can we handle more power , whats the best methods (tried and tested ) , Formula dynamics are up there with their ecu chip and DBW , for sure i have seen and felt the results of the Drive by wire definate proven results with doubt , but it doesn,t increase power just enhances the use of it ,

Spoke to DMS tuning to day , having re read old posts on MF , facts and figures 2/3 years ago were uncertain and un substantiated then , with known problems of the 3200 (being twin turbo) DMS backed away from them to halt any further problems, Having looked on their site , they still dont have any substatiated data on the 4200 N/A , plenty on Porkers and BMW/Audi so i thought i'd give them a call seeing as there claims are for Ferrari/Maserati aswell ,

Trouble with me is , i get easily lost when people start talking ft/lbs torque and BHP , anyway i thought i would persue some clarification with a phone call , spoke to a nice enough guy who appeared to know his onions quoting a guaranteed extra 40hp, with a remap of the existing ECU , for £1200 full rolling road tests before and after as proof, without any detrimental long term effects, which is exactly what i would have expected him to say ,

So when i asked why some 2 years later there were still no ferrari/maserati testimonials on the site , he said he could get me plenty sent direct if i email him , and then duly told me to look up on the forums to check ,Hmmmmm i thought shall i let him know that im a forum member of the 3 main forums concerning Maserati , so i did and said that there was nothing positive regarding their tuning on any of the sites and definately no one that had it done to their cars with any recomendation .

Suddenly surprised he said he could get me quite a few testimonials from Maserati owners that they had tuned that were happy with the results, so i spoke to him re a possible group buy if things were clarified for say 5 cars and he quoted a 25% discount, So what do you reckon £900 for 40 horse power and more torque

I shall wait to see the testimonials before taking it further any body interested if the facts proved positive

regards loz

 

[conaero]

Hum, 40 horses, dont think its enough for me and as I am into the final year of GS ownership, I am looking up to the next step.

As you all know, the 4.7S is the engine I want, but the price is just way too high. So I was thinking the other day, when I saw a fezzer 430 with 490hp standard had been fitted with twin rotrex superchargers. Now I cant remember the price nor the quoted HP, but think it was putting out circa 600-700hp.

Now this got me thinking. I can afford a 4.2GT at late £40k's. Factor in another £5k for a single supercharger and Larini rear boxes and centre section for 550hp and wondering if this might be the answer. I know the brakes on the 4.2 would also need upgrading, so need to add another £2k, your thoughts?

I would then be looking at a 2007 GT putting out 550hp at a cost of around £55k, worth it or am I just dreaming?

Sorry Loz, did not mean to hyjack your thread, but its all relevant I suppose. How about a group buy on Rotrex Superchargers?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/rotrex-supercharger-/300447943016?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45f417c968#ht_500wt_1154

 

[conaero]

oooooh, check this out:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=19892

NOVITEC SUPERCHARGES MASER GRAN TURISMO S
New blower conversion offers 0.37bar of boost and 600bhp

The Maserati Grand Turismo S has been treated to a dose of NOVITEC supercharger technology.

NOVITEC is best known for its Ferrari tuning packages, so its no surprise the company has recently turned its attention to the similarly-engined Maserati line-up.
According to the latest press release, its Gran Turismo conversion straps a toothed belt-driven blower to the Masers 4.7 litre V8, with the subsequent 0.37bar of additional charge pressure lifting output to 600bhp and 588Nm at 5,400rpm. As a result, NOVITEC claims the 0-62mph time drops 0.4secs to 4.5secs, while a full 2.6secs is shaved off the 0-124mph sprint now 14.6secs. Top speed is up from 183 to 196mph.


The car also gets some subtle aerodynamic tweaks including carbon front spoiler lips, rocker panels and a rear lip spoiler.
A variety of sportier suspension settings are available to customer requirements, says NOVITEC, and the Gran Turismo S is also offered with a set of 9Jx20 front and 12.

 

[Parisien]

How much Conaero................................are you going to mortgage off the children to pay for this huge power increase!!!!???




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[conaero]

Hum, not sure Frank, depends how much I can get for them?

 

[ENZ525]

Thought i would bring this to the fore once again , do we need more power , can we handle more power , whats the best methods (tried and tested ) , Formula dynamics are up there with their ecu chip and DBW , for sure i have seen and felt the results of the Drive by wire definate proven results with doubt , but it doesn,t increase power just enhances the use of it ,

Spoke to DMS tuning to day , having re read old posts on MF , facts and figures 2/3 years ago were uncertain and un substantiated then , with known problems of the 3200 (being twin turbo) DMS backed away from them to halt any further problems, Having looked on their site , they still dont have any substatiated data on the 4200 N/A , plenty on Porkers and BMW/Audi so i thought i'd give them a call seeing as there claims are for Ferrari/Maserati aswell ,

Trouble with me is , i get easily lost when people start talking ft/lbs torque and BHP , anyway i thought i would persue some clarification with a phone call , spoke to a nice enough guy who appeared to know his onions quoting a guaranteed extra 40hp, with a remap of the existing ECU , for £1200 full rolling road tests before and after as proof, without any detrimental long term effects, which is exactly what i would have expected him to say ,

So when i asked why some 2 years later there were still no ferrari/maserati testimonials on the site , he said he could get me plenty sent direct if i email him , and then duly told me to look up on the forums to check ,Hmmmmm i thought shall i let him know that im a forum member of the 3 main forums concerning Maserati , so i did and said that there was nothing positive regarding their tuning on any of the sites and definately no one that had it done to their cars with any recomendation .

Suddenly surprised he said he could get me quite a few testimonials from Maserati owners that they had tuned that were happy with the results, so i spoke to him re a possible group buy if things were clarified for say 5 cars and he quoted a 25% discount, So what do you reckon £900 for 40 horse power and more torque

I shall wait to see the testimonials before taking it further any body interested if the facts proved positive

regards loz

Loz,
My initial thought was that £1200 for 40 extra horses sounded a bit pricey...even at £900 it sounds a lot,
but if you take into account the extra torque (and I am not sure how to quantify that), then it is probably a reasonable figure.
I have thought about this a few times, but keep coming to the conclusion that I do not need any extra power.
I think that at some point in the future, (if I did anything), it would be to add the FD chip as this would be a simple add-on to the DBW module I have in place.
Regards,
Enzo.

 

[Torenno Performance]

oooooh, check this out:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=19892

NOVITEC SUPERCHARGES MASER GRAN TURISMO S
New blower conversion offers 0.37bar of boost and 600bhp

The Maserati Grand Turismo S has been treated to a dose of NOVITEC supercharger technology.

NOVITEC is best known for its Ferrari tuning packages, so its no surprise the company has recently turned its attention to the similarly-engined Maserati line-up.
According to the latest press release, its Gran Turismo conversion straps a toothed belt-driven blower to the Masers 4.7 litre V8, with the subsequent 0.37bar of additional charge pressure lifting output to 600bhp and 588Nm at 5,400rpm. As a result, NOVITEC claims the 0-62mph time drops 0.4secs to 4.5secs, while a full 2.6secs is shaved off the 0-124mph sprint now 14.6secs. Top speed is up from 183 to 196mph.


The car also gets some subtle aerodynamic tweaks including carbon front spoiler lips, rocker panels and a rear lip spoiler.
A variety of sportier suspension settings are available to customer requirements, says NOVITEC, and the Gran Turismo S is also offered with a set of 9Jx20 front and 12.

The novitec supercharger kit come in at around 19,000 euros if memory serves me right.!!!

Thanks

Noor

 

[lozcb]

Just throwing the ball in the air so to speak , perhaps, and ONLY if the testimonials come up trumps ( sceptical because im sure i would of heard something by now being in my 4th year of masser ownership) that perhaps we could sqeeze them with a bit more discount for a group turnout , after all we could make it into a day out like the emblem open day , at say £700 a shot , kind of done all their marketing for them so to speak ,

FD still is not putting out any official proof/claims on their piggy back chip , with dyno print outs , and sure the Piggy back chip has its benefits , still im interested to find out once and for all

regards loz

 

[conaero]

Loz, in all honesty, if it was £500 I would probably go for it. How about booking it out for a day for say £3k with the proviso they can do 6 cars. If you dangle £3k in front of them for a days work in these times, I would be stunned if they turned it down.

At that price I would be in.

Matt (tighter than a fly's @ss!!!)

 

[mowlas]

Loz,

I would certainly be interested to hear more about the testimonials and if they appear credible to you (including longer term consequences) then may well be interested at ~£700. I understand the new 4.7 litre engines only have an extra 40HPs but was curious why Maserati went down the extra cc route rather than the tuning route if that is also possible. Wondering if the problem with the tuning route is it might have yielded far worse fuel consumption figures?

Many thanks

Shak

 

[lozcb]

Loz,

I would certainly be interested to hear more about the testimonials and if they appear credible to you (including longer term consequences) then may well be interested at ~£700. I understand the new 4.7 litre engines only have an extra 40HPs but was curious why Maserati went down the extra cc route rather than the tuning route if that is also possible. Wondering if the problem with the tuning route is it might have yielded far worse fuel consumption figures?

Many thanks

Shak

Hi Shak, well he's acknowledged my request for testimonials and will be on the case tomorrow , soon as i have a few i will post them on here for all to see, will probably ge in contact with a couple and speak to them direct, nothing like a personal view from someone who has trod the path, im not in the habit of joining in with the Kings clothes brigade especially in the all together and my hard earned

regards loz

 

[Parisien]

But as you observed Loz........where are all the closet up-graders......only a few interested in this and its surprising nothing has shown up on the main boards..strange.......very strange.................?!


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[dem maser]

matt i would not do the conversion on the 4.2, just wait a year the s will be sub 60k mid 2011

 

[Parisien]

He has a 50K limit (lucky g*i*t) though Dem.........................and hes the impatient type...


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[lozcb]

But as you observed Loz........where are all the closet up-graders......only a few interested in this and its surprising nothing has shown up on the main boards..strange.......very strange.................?!


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Might check the Fezza forums tonight if im not too knackered , see what they have to say

regards loz

 

[safrane]

More BHP...So a increase in power to weight...cheper to take the weight away, seats out, rear carpet etc

 

[conaero]

He has a 50K limit (lucky g*i*t) though Dem.........................and hes the impatient type...


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D@mn it, busted again. Yes, £50k but that is really only due to the fact that the GS has been an absolute beaut of a purchase, its hardly devalued. So I pump in another £20k and that gives me the £50k, simples!

OK its a year off yet and I am sure the GS will take a bit of a dip, it has to at some point.

Then again, drove from Chichester to Winchester this evening, nice summer evening, windows down, Larini set to LOUD, what a brilliant car these are. Should I just forget the need to better myself and just stick with it till the end of my days!

 

[Andyk]

900 does sound a bit much for 40bhp...Gong rate is around £500 but these are Maserati's and companies seems to think they can charge for because of that...I know it's not the same but my wife got her 525 diesel done and got 50bhp for £380...Mad a massice difference and no loss in MPG.

Matt, 40bhp will make a difference...you will be suprised.

 

[BigFoot]

A couple of quick thoughts boys (apologies for the absence, been really busy with a million things ... more news in the next few days hopefully):

1. DMS
My old tuner in Japan has now established a working relationship with DMS (not just on Maseratis) and is very happy with the products they put out. Stamp of approval in my book.
However, I am not personally convinced about flash remaps. Firstly, ECUs have a tendency to re-set themselves (from what I read) to pre-defined patterns. Secondly, what if you want to sell the car? You are reducing the number of potential buyers.
Conceptually, a piggyback ECU is the right way to go for me.

2. Novitec
They have been in business a while so cannot be making bad products. However, I have a friend in Italy who works on turbos and turbo-conversions and did not have good things to say about Novitec, mostly due to unreliability of the kit (for the Ferraris).

 

[lozcb]

A couple of quick thoughts boys (apologies for the absence, been really busy with a million things ... more news in the next few days hopefully):

1. DMS
My old tuner in Japan has now established a working relationship with DMS (not just on Maseratis) and is very happy with the products they put out. Stamp of approval in my book.
However, I am not personally convinced about flash remaps. Firstly, ECUs have a tendency to re-set themselves (from what I read) to pre-defined patterns. Secondly, what if you want to sell the car? You are reducing the number of potential buyers.
Conceptually, a piggyback ECU is the right way to go for me.

2. Novitec
They have been in business a while so cannot be making bad products. However, I have a friend in Italy who works on turbos and turbo-conversions and did not have good things to say about Novitec, mostly due to unreliability of the kit (for the Ferraris).

Cheers for the input Maurizio, you know i like to dot the I's and cross the tees before i commit so any/all help is valid and necessary when advising people to spend their hard earned , its appreciated

Hope things are working out well and the family is good great to hear from you , hope you have exciting news for us

regards loz