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CraigWaterman11

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Hey guys been a while. Wanted to ask a question over here since the guys in the U.S. really do not have any experience with it. I have searched both forums and the internet for this question and what's being stated is you cannot fit a 3200 hood on a 4200 or GS because the intake manifold on the 4200/GS comes up higher from the car.

What I want to know is has anyone personally tried it over here? No offense I don't want speculation. I want to talk to the guy who doesn't sleep at night unless he's problem solving an issue or trying something he really thinks will work for our cars. I want to know if this is the only issue in the hood, and whether the latch/hinges are positioned right as well. From the photos I've seen on the inside of the hood with the flame retardant material removed the 3200 hood arches up as well. Has anyone tried to remove the flame retardant material to see if that gave the clearance or did you just try closing the hood with everything on it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Whoops sorry just realized it's called a Bonnet over here......forgive me.
 

mjheathcote

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I don't think anyone will have tried, simply because just by looking at the two cars side by side, it is obvious that the 3200 bonnet is so much shallower.
If it would just bolt on, why did Maserati change the profile, and go to the expense of a new panel pressing, they could just have blanked off the vents.
So, why don't you retrofit the bonnet vents to the 4200/GS bonnet, if a pair of unfunctional vents is so important!?
If you want a definitive answer, ask a Maserati dismantler who has access to both, like Dave Askew.

http://www.davidaskew.co.uk
 

dem maser

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A member was talking about fitting vents to his 42 but couldnt

Dont know why i just remember them telling me at a meet it got costly
 

CraigWaterman11

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I don't think anyone will have tried, simply because just by looking at the two cars side by side, it is obvious that the 3200 bonnet is so much shallower.

So, why don't you retrofit the bonnet vents to the 4200/GS bonnet, if a pair of unfunctional vents is so important!?

http://www.davidaskew.co.uk

Believe me I wish I could see what you guys see but as of date I haven't seen a 3200 in the U.S. and don't know if I will. I could attempt a retrofit but it seems that they are recessed into the hood. Non-function over style is a thread all it's own on a Maserati but I do appreciate the information for David. I will contact him.....thank you.
 

Contigo

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We went through this the other days didn't we? Because of the taller Plenum on the 4200 the 3200 bonnet will not fit the 4200 bulge!
 

Catalan3200

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So who will be the first to put a 3500GT snorkel on. 3200GT bonnet on a Coupe?
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The other thing to take into account if considering retro-fitting 3200 bonnet vents to a 4200 is what they are directly positioned above. The vent gaps are large and easily let in water - if any delicate electronics are immediately underneath the proposed vent location it could get nasty and expensive!
 

Catalan3200

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The other thing to take into account if considering retro-fitting 3200 bonnet vents to a 4200 is what they are directly positioned above. The vent gaps are large and easily let in water - if any delicate electronics are immediately underneath the proposed vent location it could get nasty and expensive!

Could you simply block the vents from underneath? Guess it wouldn't be too big a problem, but agree that they shouldn't be left open to the elements.


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The other thing to take into account if considering retro-fitting 3200 bonnet vents to a 4200 is what they are directly positioned above. The vent gaps are large and easily let in water - if any delicate electronics are immediately underneath the proposed vent location it could get nasty and expensive!

On the old school 3200 the only thing under the bonnet vents is two lovely red hot IHI turbo's :approve:

Dave
 

CraigWaterman11

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Honestly, I know you guys might of thought that I was asking for myself. I was trying to figure out all of the details for a post that began on Maserati life a few years ago that has recently resurfaced. I figured might as well chase the issue down. I do like the vents, but would enjoy the turbos underneath it as well. In either case, I do appreciate your guys help. If all else fails I will repost the stick on vents for the guys there I'm sure they will like that,....... most have a sense of humor.
 

alfatwo

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Surely someone must have imported a 3200GT into the USA by now Graig,as there nearly 15 years old!

Dave
 

CraigWaterman11

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Surely someone must have imported a 3200GT into the USA by now Graig,as there nearly 15 years old!

Dave

Maybe but as far as I know it cannot be driven here because it doesn't meet U.S. specs. One such example is the hockey stick tail lights. When it first was being decided this was one issue they had with the car, ironically now everyone wants them, even modifying their vehicles to get it but they didn't meet U.S. specs at the time. I like the car but not as much as I like those turbos! That's all I really want...LOL! But sometimes things are better left alone, you'd spend more money and time trying to fit turbos to it than it's worth.
 

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Hmmmm...can't be driven there? I've seen plently of tat out there which would not pass a MOT here in the uk (minimum road worthy test) and even some imported cars like a 2CV being used in America...is that correct or do you just insure yourself to the hilt in case there is an accident?

Some 'funny cars' must be rather far from the permitted regs?
 

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The mad part is they shipped two over to Canada for a mega roadtrip when they first launched. I don't understand why the Boomerang LED's failed to meet legislation etc as most cars have LED DRL's on them these days anyway. Utter madness that the 3200 was not sold in the US but maybe a good thing :D
 

CraigWaterman11

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Hmmmm...can't be driven there? I've seen plently of tat out there which would not pass a MOT here in the uk (minimum road worthy test) and even some imported cars like a 2CV being used in America...is that correct or do you just insure yourself to the hilt in case there is an accident?

Some 'funny cars' must be rather far from the permitted regs?

The interesting thing is, okay so this is the way it works. So say I own my own repair shop or dealership. I am in various states able to apply and obtain specialized plates that have like a big "R" (For licensed repair facility "REPAIR" or "D" for licensed dealership) here in MA. In such situations if pulled over (Police) the registration is registered to the plates (Dealer or Repair) and not the car. The car for all practical intents and purposes doesn't even need an inspection sticker, which would I believe be the equivalent of an inspection by the MOT. It's a tricky situation because all they have to do is tell the Police they are in route to such and such place for either testing for Repair, or Delivery etc. MOST of the time the police will let them go none the wiser. Especially if it's a high end car like a Mas. BUT, will the insurance cover it? I don't know. There's cars like the COPO Camaro, and the Cobra Jet (Chevy and Ford) built only specifically for drag racing from the manufacturer they didn't even put VIN#s on them and they are factory built with roll cages. Will they let a car like that go? It's a roll of the dice for the Police, maybe if you agree to let him try it out! Again, not positive. If you wreck the car I am sure the insurance companies will not cover a fully race ready vehicle on the street. Some might if you had a personal relationship with the Adjuster or if you call first in advance and gave them all the details but highly unlikely, they are going to tell you to tow it. Most insurance companies here will not even insure the Mas.

I know here in MA. You used to be able to get away with a lot of different infractions for lighting, such as aftermarket HID Fog lamps, LED lighting etc. As well with exhaust systems, you could do straight pipes right out the back of the vehicle, gut the cats, pretty much whatever. Kick the guy inspecting the vehicle a couple extra $20s and they would be okay with it. Tires 35"; 37" etc for trucks same thing. I just spoke to my inspection friend I use all the time locally after repairing a friends New model Mercedes C300. He specifically told me that the State Police are visiting them personally now. All of our inspection stickers in MA are computerized with a bar code that states specifically who inspected the vehicle and where it was done at. IF you have a sticker on your car like a Mas. or anything else and there's been illegal modifications to the car.....ie..the window tint is to dark. The State Police can go right to the Inspector give him a warning and tell him next time he can lose his license to inspect cars in the state. If you do happen to mod a car and get pulled over and the State Police asks you if the car was like that, you either burn the Inspector (which I don't highly recommend) or tell the Statie you modified the vehicle with Tint; Tire; exhaust; etc; etc; ....after it was inspected. I have to admit I've been down that road a time or two, and the higher the class the vehicle, a lot less likely they are going to think it's humorous, adventurous, or "cool". If you can afford the modifications, you can afford the ticket. If I remember correctly one of the highest tickets I received was close to $300 for aftermarket lighting. This is anything that wasn't factory original. So for instance, I took the chance on putting the Halos in my Mas. headlights, if any Statie is the wiser about the design of the car that's going to be another ticket, because they are sealed in the headlights I will either keep them off while driving/ alternatively only in parking lots or keep paying tickets.

I remember even taking a newer Mercedes over for inspection one time. The car was just bought. Ironically I checked the ball joints, tie rods, shocks etc. But the tires were low-profile, and dark lettering that blended into the side wall. I checked the tread without checking the BRAND NAME. All the sizes of course were the right-sized. They all looked identical at first glance. Took it to the inspector and I failed inspection. The car was a 4 matic also known as AWD or equivalent for inspection purposes. Because of this all of the brand names and sizes much match identically. Working on cars all the time I knew this but it was a mere oversight. They put a big red "R" on the inspection sticker until I got it fixed. Every time it's on the street and the Police see it, it's a ticket regardless of why it failed.

Anyway I think this became longer than necessary but, I suppose I kind of wanted you guys to know it can be rough over here. Additionally, if you see something that is totally un-inspectable on the streets it's probably because it is. Just someone rolling the dice that day..........
 

alfatwo

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Thanks for that insight Graig,Its only time before it gets like that over here what with all the new legislation coming from the EU

Dave