THE FUTURE vs THE PAST!!

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On a more conspiratorial note , why I ask myself :as001 (2): would any one want to own a vehicle that tracks and records your every movement, time distance and speed and someone else has the ability to turn the thing off without your knowledge, Cars for me were always about personal unfettered freedom and with the introduction of AI into vehicle technology once again it appears the powers that be want have the ability to restrict that freedom through EV's why I ask myself for what good reason , I cant fathom one. The present tax burdens placed on ICE will at some stage be placed back on to EV's to maintain the frivolous and ever expanding waste by government so enjoy the benefits whilst you can Keith , Genesis is without doubt a lovely car but there still isnt an EV manufacturer out there which is into profit and as you say we are 10 plus years down the line , ( which begs the question ) are the manufacturers being subsidised .
There are some good video's on youtube that seem to prove this point , one by a guy who bought a brand new Taycan ,

the future doesnt bode well according to him ............taking aside the click bait side of things there are many in the same situation
 
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About 1979. I'll take the flaws with the vehicles of the time. A trip to the coast 50 miles away seemed an adventure. Music blasting out through the **** stereo(Thanks Maserati for taking me back to them days), bustling high streets.
Halcyon days
 
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There's no affordable 'fun' cars being built anymore . The new Z4 is a rag top and is too big, as is the Supra. The Mazda MX-5 soldiers on but it's sister 124 are dead. No small Alfa, no small coupe from Ford or Vauxhall. Only Seat have it's Cupra range but that's it for the whole VwAG . Peugeot and Citroen don't do open tops anymore either.

I blame the misguided development of EV that's forced manufacturers to mask size of the battery by making SUVs?
 
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lozcb said:
On a more conspiratorial note , why I ask myself :as001 (2): would any one want to own a vehicle that tracks and records your every movement, time distance and speed and someone else has the ability to turn the thing off without your knowledge, Cars for me were always about personal unfettered freedom and with the introduction of AI into vehicle technology once again it appears the powers that be want have the ability to restrict that freedom through EV's why I ask myself for what good reason , I cant fathom one. The present tax burdens placed on ICE will at some stage be placed back on to EV's to maintain the frivolous and ever expanding waste by government so enjoy the benefits whilst you can Keith , Genesis is without doubt a lovely car but there still isnt an EV manufacturer out there which is into profit and as you say we are 10 plus years down the line , ( which begs the question ) are the manufacturers being subsidised .
There are some good video's on youtube that seem to prove this point , one by a guy who bought a brand new Taycan ,

the future doesnt bode well according to him ............taking aside the click bait side of things there are many in the same situation
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Every new Mercedes (and doubtless most other OEMs as well) sends back chunks of data to its maker every 30 seconds. Nothing to do with whether it has a chunking great big V8 or is an EV. There's no conspiracy here, but it's your choice whether or not you buy a car that likes to share data about itself (like some kind of social media incontinent millennial). Whether you'd be as willing with cars made by Chinese companies is another topic.
 
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Felonious Crud said:
Every new Mercedes (and doubtless most other OEMs as well) sends back chunks of data to its maker every 30 seconds. Nothing to do with whether it has a chunking great big V8 or is an EV. There's no conspiracy here, but it's your choice whether or not you buy a car that likes to share data about itself (like some kind of social media incontinent millennial). Whether you'd be as willing with cars made by Chinese companies is another topic.
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What benefit to owners is said chunks of data
 
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If you are a careful driver it could lower your insurance, there is however a flip side. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html

You do probably however use that sort of data every single day in Waze, Google Maps etc.
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The negatives will always outway the positives .....................where when you buy a vehicle new or used do you sign and agree a contract whether written or verbal to give consent to your data being given to a third party ..................surely they are breaking the data protection laws
 
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lozcb said:
The negatives will always outway the positives .....................where when you buy a vehicle new or used do you sign and agree a contract whether written or verbal to give consent to your data being given to a third party ..................surely they are breaking the data protection laws
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Watch Harrys garage videos you probably agree to it when you tap OK on the screen when you start the car.
 
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My son in law bought a Tacan 4s Tourer at 125k 2 years ago. Now worth 60k retail forecourt price and was told we do not want it back anyway by Porsche.
Beat offer was 45k but as the battery replacement cost is 52k (47 + 5) fitted he is really glad he tried to save the planet.
 
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My son in law bought a Tacan 4s Tourer at 125k 2 years ago. Now worth 60k retail forecourt price and was told we do not want it back anyway by Porsche.
Beat offer was 45k but as the battery replacement cost is 52k (47 + 5) fitted he is really glad he tried to save the planet.
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I rest my case M'lud
 
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BJL said:
My son in law bought a Tacan 4s Tourer at 125k 2 years ago. Now worth 60k retail forecourt price and was told we do not want it back anyway by Porsche.
Beat offer was 45k but as the battery replacement cost is 52k (47 + 5) fitted he is really glad he tried to save the planet.
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Bought or rented for that last 2 years?

If the latter...not much of a issue for him, but for the dealer.
 
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BJL said:
My son in law bought a Tacan 4s Tourer at 125k 2 years ago. Now worth 60k retail forecourt price and was told we do not want it back anyway by Porsche.
Beat offer was 45k but as the battery replacement cost is 52k (47 + 5) fitted he is really glad he tried to save the planet.
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I know someone who just p/exd his 2 year old Taycan turbo S for another. Porsche Reading gave him 55k but that had a 9k over allowance! This was cash not leased. Anyway, as the likes of Ewan have pointed out clearly on this forum, it can still make a lot of financial sense due to v generous tax breaks (BIK, salary sacrifice and corp tax) and that is the only reason >90% go for them. Lease/PCP but do not buy! Thinking it is a green option is nonsense if you consider the whole lifecycle. There is a clean air argument in cities, which for me is where EVs work - short journeys and charge at home. In my opinion they are a point in time solution, like CDs. Toyota are one of the few to point out the emperor is naked, others will follow as the tech moves on.
 
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When setting up my new Alpine on collection last Friday, the computer asked whether or not I wished to share the car data back with the factory. I ticked "no".

I used it a bit over the weekend, and it feels fabulous. But the running-in process (who even knew that was still a thing?) is a bit of a pain. Alpine request you keep below 3500 rpm for the first 1000km, and (from memory) below 5000 rpm for the following 1000km. That might take me a year! (Let's not even try to imagine how long it might take Safrane!!!!!)
 
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Guy said:
I know someone who just p/exd his 2 year old Taycan turbo S for another. Porsche Reading gave him 55k but that had a 9k over allowance! This was cash not leased. Anyway, as the likes of Ewan have pointed out clearly on this forum, it can still make a lot of financial sense due to v generous tax breaks (BIK, salary sacrifice and corp tax) and that is the only reason >90% go for them. Lease/PCP but do not buy! Thinking it is a green option is nonsense if you consider the whole lifecycle. There is a clean air argument in cities, which for me is where EVs work - short journeys and charge at home. In my opinion they are a point in time solution, like CDs. Toyota are one of the few to point out the emperor is naked, others will follow as the tech moves on.
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In my archaic opinion it should be law and mandatory for all mothers taking kids to and from school to drive the smallest EV possible , whilst its perfectly acceptable for fathers and grandads to be taking the kids to and from school in V8 's isnt that right Crud sir
 
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dem maser said:
EVs don’t work for me!
Thus I’d never buy one….
I have a 150 mile commute to pick up my daughter, then it’s another 150 miles to come home so 300 in total. Often this is with motorways being closed and diverted or just in slow traffic.
Now, what is the best REALISTIC car for range for sale? I’m guessing 300 miles
Heating /AC will be on etc

So I’ll be risking not getting back or asking the ex when I get there if I can recharge or worse still going to a station to recharge which will eat into my time and for what? A normal car that I use I get 50mpg out of

All seems a bit of a marketing and government ******** to me right now…..not against you guys who have one but what I’m saying is that it’s not for me. While it’s not for me it says to me that it’s not the future…….yet!
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Like you Dem, I question the practicality of electric at the present time.

While just going local shopping, and with the odd trip of around 40 miles it would work.



But I always drive abroad usually down to Newcastle for the boat,second night in Germany usually at Ulm, next day through Austria and into Italy.

Simple easy trip.



What the same time with Electric would be I do not really know but suspect several days later.

Would it be cheaper?That too is an unknown so at the moment sitting on the fence seems a good option!
 
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joered said:
Like you Dem, I question the practicality of electric at the present time.

While just going local shopping, and with the odd trip of around 40 miles it would work.



But I always drive abroad usually down to Newcastle for the boat,second night in Germany usually at Ulm, next day through Austria and into Italy.

Simple easy trip.



What the same time with Electric would be I do not really know but suspect several days later.

Would it be cheaper?That too is an unknown so at the moment sitting on the fence seems a good option!
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Trust me, get yourself a soft cushion , you'll be sitting on that fence for a long time to come, we are about to watch in real time many of the 90 odd EV manufacturers go bust and get swallowed up in the process by those that have the stupidity and the money to remain , it'll be fun from an ICE perspective
 
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joered said:
Like you Dem, I question the practicality of electric at the present time.

While just going local shopping, and with the odd trip of around 40 miles it would work.



But I always drive abroad usually down to Newcastle for the boat,second night in Germany usually at Ulm, next day through Austria and into Italy.

Simple easy trip.



What the same time with Electric would be I do not really know but suspect several days later.

Would it be cheaper?That too is an unknown so at the moment sitting on the fence seems a good option!
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Horses for courses! For me the tricky one would be going somewhere just within range and hoping for no diversions! Given WLTP seems to overstate by around 20-30% I would suggest the usefuleness is up to around 100 miles from home maximum. @Ewan would you agree three years in?
 
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Forgot to add I do everything with my £500 petrol 21 year old ULEZ compliant car getting 50mpg
Apart from EV don’t work for me range wise I can guarantee it’s significantly more than £500 to buy one
 
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Ewan said:
When setting up my new Alpine on collection last Friday, the computer asked whether or not I wished to share the car data back with the factory. I ticked "no".

I used it a bit over the weekend, and it feels fabulous. But the running-in process (who even knew that was still a thing?) is a bit of a pain. Alpine request you keep below 3500 rpm for the first 1000km, and (from memory) below 5000 rpm for the following 1000km. That might take me a year! (Let's not even try to imagine how long it might take Safrane!!!!!)
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Life time if ownership in the slow lane I would guess!!!
 
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